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    Organics in pool...what to expect?

    Ok, with all of these high winds from this tropical storm, my palm trees have been putting a HUGE amount of seeds/nuts into the pool. I cannot physically keep up with it unless I just stayed out there full time.

    What should I expect in terms of how this will mess up my chemical balance? Or will it do anything?

    Thanks, I'll hang up and listen....
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    Dump some bleach in it to bump up the FC as best you can and clean it out as soon as you can. Hang tough.
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    Thanks. Great minds think alike. I removed a hundred or so of those nuts with tbe net and poured half of a 182oz jug in it and went inside to watch football. Not much else to do....
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    Jeeper, If you can cut them off the tree with a pruning pole before they mature enough to be so messy.
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    Yeah, I got estimates last week and looking into getting my own chainsaw pruner.
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    You have to keep up on the chlorine. I was too busy off having fun to think about the pool. We did notice the skimmers sucking air and got that cleaned out but I did not check the chlorine and let it fall to 1.0. The pool looked OK but when I added cal-hypo to get to normal FC levels, the pool turned dull and even a bit cloudy. I could see the Polaris in the deep end but not at all clearly. I kept adding cal-hypo, since CH was a bit low I needed that CH boost along with the chlorine. I brushed and we kept the skimmers and pump baskets clean.

    To be honest, the dullness probably also had something to do with me turning the waterfall back on. It has started to breed mosquitoes and so I poured some bleach in the water there and after a day or so I decided to run it again so all those dead larvae fell into the pool. But it looks fine now and FC is where it should be.

    Count me lucky, that was a bad time to be so lax on chlorine additions.
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    Yeah, no doubt. I overkilled chlorine a little. Instead of adding to normal 7ppm, I kept going up to 8-8.5 to compensate for the palm things. Turned out great. Used net as often as possible and vac'd several times as well.
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    Cloudy pool, cal-hypo...

    Switch to bleach?
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    Quote Originally Posted by frogabog
    Cloudy pool, cal-hypo...

    Switch to bleach?
    When it is as hot as it has been, 103 inside the garage, 105 outside, I like to switch to Cal-Hypo if I can. Just 'cause I worry about the strength of the bleach as it is transported and stored locally, as well as in my garage. I can stack it up in the laundry room but I get complaints.

    Yeah, I am not certain what the CH is. It had been at 290 in May and I was using bleach (and trichlor pucks for vacations) so it should not have gone up. I figured it was right where I left it. Haven't had any rain so I didn't expect it to go down so don't test it often. I'd been adding a lot of water to the pool, mostly due to evaporation. I figured there are some losses to small leaks but tap water is low CH, no reason for CH to go up or down much at all.

    Weird results on the CH test, never really changed to blue, but actually didn't start out red either, just barely pinkish, barely. Hard to say when it changed, if at all. Stopped counting at CH 500ppm, in 25 ppm increments, no way it is that high as I had not been adding any calcium for a long time. I don't see any place more calcium could come from if I am not adding it. Stripping it out of the sandstone rocks of the waterfall? Maybe the tap water has changed wildly? I can check that at least.... CH 40 in tap water.

    Redid the test with sample sized to 10 ppm increments. Maybe it was CH 60. Still such a slight pink to start with I was unsure. Retested with all new reagents, same non-answer. Did the test as per instructions for metals in water (no reason to think any metals in water) but no better results. No way CH is super high so it must be super low. (???)

    Stopped up the overflow on the pool to raise the water level thinking, hey if CH is low, let's try to dissolve the scale lines above the water level. And go to cal-hypo for calcium. At least for a while, until I get a reasonable showing on the CH test. I've added enough Cal-Hypo to boost CH by 28 ppm. If it was still near 300, that is OK. If it is terribly low that is not nearly enough.

    Meanwhile I am paying more attention to pH for I think that it may be related to the lack of sparkle. Or maybe that is the scale line dissolving, I dunno.

    Washed the cart filters today. Pressure went from 16 psi to 15 psi. Was 11psi when new and this is first cleaning of filters since new ones installed. They were dirty, water looked like chocolate milk. A lot of debris had passed the skimmers when the skimmer socks were knocked out of place by so much debris from the high winds.

    I wonder if all the junk in the filter could interfere with the CH test. Maybe there is enough iron in the bits of pine needles and such to affect the CH test. So, now with filter clean, and some added CH I will test again. If it was super low, then it will be up to a more measurable number.

    Maybe the lack of sparkle is due to the smoke in the air. Or I nipped an algae bloom just in time. I have not done a proper shock. Maybe I need to do OCLT to see if that is it.
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    FWIW my CH tests behave exactly like you describe although it begins more like a dull yellow/brown color. I don't think the low CH water can turn the solution dark blue, it's tinted blue only. No matter how many more drops i add it's always very light blue tinted and never changes once it turns from yellow/brown to tinted blue. I'm looking at about 20ppm CH at the moment, it's been dropping for two seasons now and is finally almost close to the tap (2-4ppm CH).

    And now I'm looking at raising it to a least 50 for the SWG. Although I don't know why. I guess I need to ask that in it's own thread.
    Where kids swim in 54 degree water, turn blue, and giggle happily cuz they got a POOL!
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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    Shouldn't have this trouble any longer! I know how we all live pics, so enjoy! hahaha

    When I moved in:


    Had tree people out this wknd. New and improved!:



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    Re: Organics in pool...what to expect?

    That was one shaggy palm!
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