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    New to forum and to pools, with a few equipment questions

    Hello. I'm new to this forum and new to the world of swimming pools. We bought a foreclosed house almost 3 years ago that came with an unfinished IG pool/spa, which I estimate at 15000/400 gallons. After several years of other major house projects and periodic gentle reminders from the city's code compliance department that we have an unfinished pool, we finally bit the bullet and got it done. We lucked out in several respects. The previous builder (Blue Haven) had a proper building permit, and was current on his inspections up through "OK to gunite."

    So all we had to do was pay a small fee to reinstate the expired permit, clean out all the debris, and call for inspection of the gunite and fence. Then we hired an outfit to pressure test the plumbing and install PebbleTec, which we are really pleased with. We got the equipment running, but I have some questions on our set-up. We got absolutely no documentation on the pool equipment or plumbing scheme, and it didn't take me too long to realize that calling Blue Haven with questions was not going to yield anything. I'm glad I was able to download operating and installation manuals for just about everything. Here's what we have equipment-wise:

    Filter Pump: Hayward Northstar 4020
    Filter: Hayward C5520 cartridge
    Heater: Hayward H400, 400,000 Btu/hr
    Ozone Generator: Ultrapure SPP70 UV-type (not connected to the plumbing)
    Booster Pump: Hayward 5060 (but we don't posses a pressure cleaner, just the pump and wall nozzle)
    Blower: Polaris 1-470-01
    Lights: Fiberstars 6008 fiber-optic lights
    Controller: Aqualogic AQL-PS-8

    Ozone generator: I know that this forum does not recommend ozone for residential IG pools. It's hooked up electrically so that when the pump comes on, so do those two powerful UV lamps inside the housing. But they're not doing anything useful since there's no line into the pool plumbing. From what I understand reading the literature, it needs an air flowmeter and needle valve, tubing connection to suction side of the filter pump, and a bleed line needs to be installed from the top of the filter to return line after all other equipment. If bought in kit form, all that comes to roughly $200 from ozoneparts.com. Looking at it, I can buy a 0-10 SCFH rotameter for $10 on eBay, and the rest is just tubing and compression fittings. And I THINK that the mystery capped-off 1" PVC pipe coming out of the ground is a stand-pipe connected to the return line where the ozone was supposed to be tied in. The question is, since I have the darn thing, should I bother hooking it up, or should I disconnect it so it's not wasting electricity? I mean, just to make sure I'm interpreting correctly the consensus here that there is no reason to have an ozonator in a residential pool system, are we saying that for the cost of installing an ozonator (in a system where chlorine is the primary sanitizer), there's no benefit or savings compared to using chlorine alone? Or are we saying that an ozonator is actually detrimental to the system. New, this thing runs around $800 or so. Since I have it, it's working, and I think I can hook it up cheaply, my inclination is to hook it up and run it until I need to make a decision whether or not to replace two $100 lamps when they burn out. Then I can always remove it.

    Booster pump: It it worthwhile investing $400 to $500 in a Polaris pressure cleaner? Are there any other alternatives or recommendations considering my set-up? Why not just a good brushing once a week?

    That's it for now. Really glad I came across this web site. I'm chemical engineer, and it's nice to see pool chemistry discussed properly for a change, and not in the language a sexy trade names and sales BS. I get irritated when pool store people (same goes for aquarium shop, water softener salespeople, etc.) who don't understand the chemistry themselves, and who also assume their customers don't understand it, start BS-ing me, I get annoyed.

    Cheers,

    Eric
    15000-gal IG-Gunite/Pebble, 400-gal spa, Hayward C5520 cartridge filter, Hayward SP4015X20 2 HP filter pump,
    Hayward H400 heater, Ultrapure SPP70 UV ozonator (disconnected), 0.75 HP Booster pump (but no pressure cleaner),
    Polaris 400QT 1.5 HP blower, Fiberstars 6000 lights, Goldline Aqua Logic AQL-PS-8 controller.

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    Re: New to forum and to pools, with a few equipment question

    I'll leave the ozone for others.

    Booster pump: It it worthwhile investing $400 to $500 in a Polaris pressure cleaner? Are there any other alternatives or recommendations considering my set-up? Why not just a good brushing once a week?
    1. You would have to manually vacuum.....not brush. Many folks do that willingly and never miss an auto-vac. You may try it for a while and see how it goes although most opt for some type of auto-vac eventually

    2. I think your total cost would be closer to 800-100 for a pressure side cleaner and pump

    3. A good robot can be had for about the same price and generally, they are a little more powerful.

    4. You could buy a suction side cleaner for 200-400 and it would probably be fine in a pool that size.
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    Re: New to forum and to pools, with a few equipment question

    I was in a similar situation regarding the pool cleaner. I bought a Polaris 280 on Amazon for $430 (cleaner only, no pump). For me it was worth not having to vacuum. I still brush the walls once a week, but don't need to brush the floor.
    20'x40' Oval 27,000 gallon Vinyl IG, Coverstar Auto Cover
    Hayward MaxFlo SP2303VSP, Sta-Rite PLD50 30 sq. ft. DE filter
    Rheem 266,000 btu natural gas heater
    Dolphin Nautilus Plus with Clever Clean
    TF-100 testkit w/ Speed Stir

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    Re: New to forum and to pools, with a few equipment question

    Quote Originally Posted by duraleigh
    I'll leave the ozone for others.

    Booster pump: It it worthwhile investing $400 to $500 in a Polaris pressure cleaner? Are there any other alternatives or recommendations considering my set-up? Why not just a good brushing once a week?
    1. You would have to manually vacuum.....not brush. Many folks do that willingly and never miss an auto-vac. You may try it for a while and see how it goes although most opt for some type of auto-vac eventually

    2. I think your total cost would be closer to 800-100 for a pressure side cleaner and pump

    3. A good robot can be had for about the same price and generally, they are a little more powerful.

    4. You could buy a suction side cleaner for 200-400 and it would probably be fine in a pool that size.
    He already has the booster pump. Makes he choice a little harder. I have a Polaris 280 and it has never given me any trouble. I would recommend the sand/silt bag for it. I don't get much big debris, mostly sand and that is much better than the regular bag. If you decide to not use the booster pump I might be interested if you decide to sell it. since you already have a booster pump there is quite a bit more expense to go with one of the latest generation robots, some that even have remote control. Are they worth it? I can't say I have never had one.
    10,800 gallons Gunite/Plaster
    Hayward 244t 24" Sand Filter with Zeo
    1 1/2 HP Challenger
    Digital Pool Pilot DIG-220 SC-48
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    Re: New to forum and to pools, with a few equipment question

    Thanks for the replies. For now, it's brush and vacuum. I think ultimately I'm going to look around for a Polaris vacuum, since the equipment and controller are already set up for that.

    As for the ozone, I think I'll buy the $10 Dwyer rotameter (probably had a dozen of those laying around at my old job, too bad...), some compression fittings and black tubing and see what, if anything, it does while the bulbs still have some life in them.
    15000-gal IG-Gunite/Pebble, 400-gal spa, Hayward C5520 cartridge filter, Hayward SP4015X20 2 HP filter pump,
    Hayward H400 heater, Ultrapure SPP70 UV ozonator (disconnected), 0.75 HP Booster pump (but no pressure cleaner),
    Polaris 400QT 1.5 HP blower, Fiberstars 6000 lights, Goldline Aqua Logic AQL-PS-8 controller.

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