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    Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    this pool was re-plastered July 27-2011,

    the water has always looked great, could always see the bottom, nice and clear.

    tc=4
    fc= 4
    ph= 7.7
    ta= 170
    ch= 287
    cya= 100
    temp 100

    within the last few days i have noticed the bottom and now the sides are looking discolored or stained. does not feel slimy, or slippery.
    it is not a uniform pattern or?

    almost looks like it is working its way down the wall as if it were sliding down?

    Vegas, New Plaster on July 26-2011,, 14,000 Gal IG ,,aproximately 2000 Gal Spa above w/ 8 jets,, Easy touch-8,, firmware- 2.100,, 2 actuators w/ IC-40,, Hayward Clean and clear? 320,, Intelliflo x 2,, 2HP Blower,,Intellibrite 5g Pool & Spa,, Wireless Remote. TF Test Kit.

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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    You should get your pH down to about 7.2 and keep it there until the TA gets down to about 80 ppm.

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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    thank you,

    would that help to lift the stain and or remove the discoloration? or should i add something?
    Vegas, New Plaster on July 26-2011,, 14,000 Gal IG ,,aproximately 2000 Gal Spa above w/ 8 jets,, Easy touch-8,, firmware- 2.100,, 2 actuators w/ IC-40,, Hayward Clean and clear? 320,, Intelliflo x 2,, 2HP Blower,,Intellibrite 5g Pool & Spa,, Wireless Remote. TF Test Kit.

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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Did you brush it as it was curing?

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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Yes,

    I brushed it everyday, sometimes twice for the first 3 weeks, even now i brush it with a vac brush at least every two days. sometimes every day depending on the amount of dirt on the bottom, been windy the last few days.

    I check the chemistry every day and it looks good except TA and CH are always high. the water has always been clear. i add acid and run the spa pump, blower and jets.

    The pool surface feels clean nothing slimy or greasy.

    Last night i started to notice particles suspended in the water?

    Just a little worried before something gets out of control that could be prevented or adjusted now.

    Thanks
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    Vegas, New Plaster on July 26-2011,, 14,000 Gal IG ,,aproximately 2000 Gal Spa above w/ 8 jets,, Easy touch-8,, firmware- 2.100,, 2 actuators w/ IC-40,, Hayward Clean and clear? 320,, Intelliflo x 2,, 2HP Blower,,Intellibrite 5g Pool & Spa,, Wireless Remote. TF Test Kit.

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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Your FC is too low for a CYA of 100. Chances are, you are higher than 100, as most tests stop at 100. How did you get your test numbers?
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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Rob

    The numbers i put up yesterday, Tuesday were form the pool store.

    Today Wednesday, i came up with the following, with TFTK-100.
    FC 7
    CC =0
    PH =7.5
    TA =140
    CH =220
    CYA =55
    TEMP =100


    The day before, Monday i had w/ the TFTK-100
    FC =7.5
    CC =0
    PH =7.5
    TA =150
    CH =220
    CYA =60
    TEMP =100

    the pool is clear to the bottom of about 7'.

    i do see small particles floating around only at night with the light on.

    there is no smell.

    the filter was cleaned last week.

    i have not added Clorox for the last 3 days, because i had it at FC= 10. the day before.Saturday / Sunday

    is it possible to not have to add anything for a few days except acid.

    the pool is in direct sunlight 80% of the day.

    i brush and vacuum every day with a miss here and there and that would only be a day missed at the most.

    the surface feels clean almost like a chalk board.

    any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated, would help with a piece of mind to just relax and know nothing is wrong.

    thank you

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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Your current numbers from your TFT test kit look good. TA is a little high, but normal with new plaster for it to rise with PH. keep adding acid to keep your PH at 7.2 or so and TA will work its way down. If you are running spa jets and blower a lot that can raise PH due to aeration..keep an eye on PH and don't let it get above 7.8.

    Its normal to see very small particles in the water at night using the light. The strong light is scattering of these particles making them easy to see due to the high contrast with darkness but you would never see these during the day with sunlight. These are particles too small for your filter to catch and nothing to worry about. Sounds like you are doing everything right.

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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Optica.

    Thank you.

    Is there any such thing as a false reading on the FC. Seems like it has not moved much in a few days?

    i do the chlorine drop test, 1 scoop, # of drops x 5,,, then add the 5 drops of R-0003 and it always stays clear, i even try adding a few more just to see if it will change color and it never does.
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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Do you mean the CC's test?
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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Yes, on the Combined Chlorine.

    i ask because i have not added Chlorine in a few days. it shows around 7 for the last few days.

    we have been using the pool and it is in direct sunlight 80% of the day.

    Another question, on the CH test, wait till it turns a hint of blue or keep dropping until clearly a defined blue, or once it is blue, i add another drop it does not change anymore?
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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    CC=0 is a good thing. That means your FC is keeping up well with the sanitation demands.

    I can't quite tell from your equipment list - do you have an SWG? If so, that would keep the FC high without needing to add liquid.

    As for the CH test, as long as the color keeps changing, keep adding drops. When you add a drop which doesn't change the color, stop - and don't count that last drop in the total. So if drops 25-28 each made it more blue, then drop #29 didn't change the color, your reading is 280.
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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Yup...as long as it's working/turned on...the IC40 is creating chlorine
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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    TA is a constant battle for me anytime the wind blows the pool full of dirt the TA goes up since our soil has high alkalinity it makes sense, I live in an area with BLM (not developed) land all around.

    My tap water CH is 350 I do not know if all parts of the valley are the same or not but with evaporation the CH goes up fast.

    We do not use a lot of chlorine most of the time, if it is not windy.
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    Re: Concerned About Plaster Discoloration

    Sorry,

    The IC-40 and the heater are not powered up yet.

    I was going to wait 30+ days or more, before i turn either one of them on.

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    Vegas, New Plaster on July 26-2011,, 14,000 Gal IG ,,aproximately 2000 Gal Spa above w/ 8 jets,, Easy touch-8,, firmware- 2.100,, 2 actuators w/ IC-40,, Hayward Clean and clear? 320,, Intelliflo x 2,, 2HP Blower,,Intellibrite 5g Pool & Spa,, Wireless Remote. TF Test Kit.

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