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    Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    We're still in the planning stages of our inground pool build. We have proposals from two pool builders (should have #3 later today). Thus far, the prices are within $1500 of each other ($45K to $46.5K).

    Basic pool/landscaping specs:

    • Freeform shape pool
      Minimum 85' perimeter; 3.6' to 4.5' depth
      Tanning shelf and three benches
      Pool size to be approx. 15' by 31.9', with a capacity of at least 12,100 gallons
      Pool area to be minimum 382 sq ft.
      Approx. 645' of salt finish concrete decking
      Gunite shell; 6-8" walls and floor with a 12" bond beam
      Approx. 38' of limestone boulder retaining wall; total sq footage approx. 95 sq ft
      Salt system automatic chlorinator


    Questions:

    1. Pool builder 1 states 2" Schedule 40 PVC in a plumbing ditch using a balanced entry method of plumbing with complete envelope around pool. Pool builder 2 simply states all 2" Schedule 40 PVC. Is pool builder #1 saying their plumbing scheme is better than what a typical pool builder would use? What exactly is meant by "balanced entry plumbing method with complete envelope around pool?
    2. Pool builder 1 states 1.5hp full rate pump by Jandy; 60 sq ft DE filter. Pool builder #2 states 3/4 hp Tri-Star full rate pump; 24" Hayward sand filter. Should I be concerned about one over the other?
    3. Pool builder 1 states ColorLogic LED lighting; Pool builder #2 states (2) 100W 12v light. (Pool builder #1 states the lights spec'ed by pool builder #2 are designed for spa usage, not pool usage.) Is pool builder #1 correct?
    4. Pool builder 1 states they use all Jandy equipment and, because of this, they are able to offer a 3-year equipment warranty. Pool builder #2 uses, as far as I can tell, Hayward equipment with a 1-year warranty. Is pool builder #1 correct in his warranty statement that, because he uses all Jandy equipment, he can offer a longer warranty?

    Any and all comments/suggestions are welcome!
    16 x 31, Approx. 12,000 Gal Freeform IG pool; Flagstone coping; Quartzscapes Super Blue plaster finish; Tanning ledge w/2 bubblers; 1 HP Pentair Whisperflo pump, Pentair sand filter; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs w/controller; Easytouch8 w/IC-40 SWG; Salt finish concrete decking.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    1. Probably means the returns are looped to provide even flow from all. Nice but not essential.

    2. 1.5hp is probably way too much for a 12k gal pool unless it's a 2-speed. PB#1 is offering more value in equipment.

    3. ColorLogic is newer LED tech, 100W 12V light is weak. PB#1 wins again.

    4. If it's a big deal to you, but I wouldn't get too twisted about something that likely will go unused.
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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Put in writing what the costs of going over for the items like the wall and the concrete. I had 450 sq ft in my contract for concrete and when I got it done, it was 650 sq ft and I had to pay him $9/sq ft which is pretty high here. They pretty much have you once your that far into it. Putting it in writing what it will cost prior really makes it much better.
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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Actually I would also insist on a significant base on the concrete - 6" crusher run on undisturbed soil. Our concrete deck heaved 1" the first winter.
    18 x 36 Inground Gunnite, White Plaster 21K gallon
    18" raised spa, 8' Diameter (620 gallon)
    Triton II Sand filter, Intellichlor IC40 SWG
    Pentair Pump, Max-E-Therm 400 BTU
    Lamotte ColorQ PRO 7-Plus test kit
    TFT-100 test kit

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Here in Tulsa, frost heave isn't quite as bad as Maryland. I will, however, ask for details on their decking and concret.

    Thanks for the tips so far!
    16 x 31, Approx. 12,000 Gal Freeform IG pool; Flagstone coping; Quartzscapes Super Blue plaster finish; Tanning ledge w/2 bubblers; 1 HP Pentair Whisperflo pump, Pentair sand filter; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs w/controller; Easytouch8 w/IC-40 SWG; Salt finish concrete decking.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Ask each builder for the names and phone numbers for the last 4 pools he built.

    I got references, but I later realized mine seemed to be hand picked. If you get the last 4 he built, you will get a better idea how they do business.
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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    That's a great suggestion Jeff! I will ask for contact info on the last few pools built by each PB.
    16 x 31, Approx. 12,000 Gal Freeform IG pool; Flagstone coping; Quartzscapes Super Blue plaster finish; Tanning ledge w/2 bubblers; 1 HP Pentair Whisperflo pump, Pentair sand filter; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs w/controller; Easytouch8 w/IC-40 SWG; Salt finish concrete decking.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Talked to 2 of the PBs this evening. Both have agreed to take us to at least one pool they're nearly finished with (but not yet complete).

    Have now culled the number of PBs from 5 to 3. One never got back to me when I asked him to requote with new specs, and the other was $10,000 more than the others.
    16 x 31, Approx. 12,000 Gal Freeform IG pool; Flagstone coping; Quartzscapes Super Blue plaster finish; Tanning ledge w/2 bubblers; 1 HP Pentair Whisperflo pump, Pentair sand filter; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs w/controller; Easytouch8 w/IC-40 SWG; Salt finish concrete decking.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    My wife and I decided to stop at our local Leslie's pool store just to browse. We were chatting with their manager, and she mentioned a couple of things:

    1. One of the PBs we're considering is one she wouldn't recommend. I'm not sure how much weight I should give to her opinion.
    2. A suggestion she had was for us to let Leslie's quote the equipment (Filter, Pump, SWG, etc.), as she's certain we'll save some money.

    What would the Experienced Ones here say to this? Should I put much stock into what she said?
    16 x 31, Approx. 12,000 Gal Freeform IG pool; Flagstone coping; Quartzscapes Super Blue plaster finish; Tanning ledge w/2 bubblers; 1 HP Pentair Whisperflo pump, Pentair sand filter; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs w/controller; Easytouch8 w/IC-40 SWG; Salt finish concrete decking.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by mhosborn
    What would the Experienced Ones here say to this? Should I put much stock into what she said?
    I would say, simply, stay out of the pool stores. No good will come of it.
    25k gal Lazy-L, vinyl liner, poly walls, swimout spa, diving board, TurboTwister slide.
    Hayward 2HP 2-spd pump, Pentair 2HP spa pump, Hayward 30" 500lb sand filter.
    Goldline Pro Logic PS-8 automation/SWG. 2 LED ColorLogic 4.0. 8 Jandy deck jets. MX-8 cleaner.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Get everything done by one company that takes complete responsibility. Do not get involved in the builder doing some things and Leslie's doing other things. Besides, Leslie's is not know for being inexpensive.

    She could well know something about the builders in the area that is helpful, but it is difficult to separate out how much her interest in selling you things is coloring the information.
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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    I was actually thinking the same thing, that she was more interested in a sale than in actually providing any useful tips. What caught my attention was when she said I could get a SWG from them for around $1250....the average PB quote I've received has been around $1750 for this option. I'm guessing though, that once Leslie's installation charge is factored in, the difference wouldn't be that great.
    16 x 31, Approx. 12,000 Gal Freeform IG pool; Flagstone coping; Quartzscapes Super Blue plaster finish; Tanning ledge w/2 bubblers; 1 HP Pentair Whisperflo pump, Pentair sand filter; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs w/controller; Easytouch8 w/IC-40 SWG; Salt finish concrete decking.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Hello

    What kind of pool surface, waterline tile, and coping is included in these bids?

    Lana
    23,600 gallon, refurbished 1960's inground concrete, Jandy sand filter w Jandy 2 hp variable speed pump, Pool Pilot Digital SWCG+Chemtrol 2100+CO2 tank; PebbleTec White Pearl with 10% Cobalt Blue Dark Beadcrete by Olympic Pool Plastering, Georgia. Taylor K-2006 Test Kit; Aqua Check Salt test; LaMotte borates test, and Jack's Magic Sequest test kit; SparklyPoolitis level: extremely high.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    All of the bids are for white plaster pool finish, and all allow for selection of "standard" 6" tile. (All appeared to have a wide enough selection of standard tiles to choose from, so I'm not concerned about that). Only one of the bids (the one I'm leaning towards at this point, actually) specified the coping, and that one offered stamped concrete coping. I would have to get coping details from the other two before deciding.

    One of the issues I'm dealing with is that my comptroller (whoops....meant to say my lovely bride of 30 years) starts to hyperventilate whenever options are discussed. She really can't hear me well when I try to discuss them over the noise in her head of cash register ca-chings. I'm having a tough time convincing her that we should get a SWG, for example, as I travel a lot and doubt she'd be happy lugging jugs of Clorox to the pool.

    (I'm still trying to reconcile the fact that the pool was her idea to begin with!). LOL
    16 x 31, Approx. 12,000 Gal Freeform IG pool; Flagstone coping; Quartzscapes Super Blue plaster finish; Tanning ledge w/2 bubblers; 1 HP Pentair Whisperflo pump, Pentair sand filter; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs w/controller; Easytouch8 w/IC-40 SWG; Salt finish concrete decking.

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    Re: Still Evaluating PB Proposals; Have Questions

    Oh my. I see. I do understand what those cash register breathing problems can be like.

    Your saying that you travel a lot struck a sensitive nerve with me. Pool building can be an extremely nerve wracking experience. I remember many a phone call from me to my out of town husband and vice versa when our PB would encounter some difficulty or cut some corner. Not to mention the enormity of having so many workers and so much noise and dust/dirt everywhere...

    Good luck--I wish you nothing but smooth sailing!

    Lana
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