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    I have one of the metal framed, vinyl lined pools like you purchase from Wal-Mart. It came with the vacuum that attaches to a garden hose. This works ok for some stuff. I ended up with a pretty discolored pool I used a product called Green to Blue (I think that is what is was called). It worked wonders, my water is now clear, however, there is a tremendous amount of "dirt" on the bottom of the pool. I used the vacuum that I have but the "dirt" is too fine for the bag, it just returns and clouds up the water. A friend gave me some old pool supplies, it had a hose that attaches to the skimmer and a vacuum head (I made sure there was not air in the hose). When I tried that I think I may have ruined my pump, so I attached another pump. I have very little suction from the pump and when I do get a decent amount of suction the water that returns to the pool is dirty. A couple of questions... Do I need a heavier duty pump? And more importantly, any suggestions on getting the dirt of the bottom of my pool?
    16X32 Inground, vinyl liner with center steps. Autopilot salt system, Hayward DE36, Pentair VS VRS, with 2 returns, 2 skimmers, and dual main drains. Aquacal 120.

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    Re: vacuum

    Welcome to TFP!

    We don't recommend using Green to Blue. Too many people are having problems with it. After using it you need to vacuum all of the debris on the bottom to waste. The exact way you do that varies depending on how your equipment is setup. What kind of pump/filter do you have?
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    Re: vacuum

    The pump I have on it now is Wet Set 603. The original pump, which I am afraid I may have burned up is Intex 637R.

    The pool is an Intex 15ft x 4ft.
    16X32 Inground, vinyl liner with center steps. Autopilot salt system, Hayward DE36, Pentair VS VRS, with 2 returns, 2 skimmers, and dual main drains. Aquacal 120.

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    I am having pretty much the same problem. I have a 15'x 48" Intex metal frame pool with a Intex 56635E 1,500 gallon pump. I used the Green to Blue treatment and now my pool is a nasty mess. Sure, the water is clear, but now I have brown crud all over the bottom of my pool. I tried using the vacuum that came with the pool, one that attaches to a garden hose, and that turned my pool into a cloudy mess. Then I tried using the pump to filter the stuff out, but had to replace the cartridge after an hour. Now the crud has settled to the bottom of the pool again. I'm going to the pool store today to get a better vacuum, but I have no idea what to get. I really don't want to walk in there completely clueless, so I was hoping to get some advice from the experts.
    13,500 Gal, 24' round AG pool with 22'' sand filter.

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    If you buy a new vacuum and it works can you reply to this for me?
    16X32 Inground, vinyl liner with center steps. Autopilot salt system, Hayward DE36, Pentair VS VRS, with 2 returns, 2 skimmers, and dual main drains. Aquacal 120.

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    Re: vacuum

    Quote Originally Posted by cmsuprof
    If you buy a new vacuum and it works can you reply to this for me?
    Absolutely! I just hope to get some answers before I head out. I am a total noob when it comes to pool supplies and whatnot.
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    I ended up getting a hose and a new vacuum head. Of course, it didn't connect directly to the pump, but I found a way to rig it. It worked, had lots of suction, but the dead algae is too fine and went right through the blasted filter pump and back into the pool. I think I may have to just vacuum the nasties off of the bottom of the pool and let the water flow right out of the pool, at this point. I just don't know what else to do. My kids have been without their pool for four days now and I think they are starting to conspire against me.
    13,500 Gal, 24' round AG pool with 22'' sand filter.

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    I use a Catfish battery operated vacuum. You just attach it to the end of your adjustable pole. It has it's own dirt/leaf bag, so nothing goes back into the pool. A bit pricey but totally worth it. You can find one for around $100 I think. I have a 24 ft above ground pool and I can pretty much get the whole bottom of the pool on one charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pesto_osu
    I use a Catfish battery operated vacuum. You just attach it to the end of your adjustable pole. It has it's own dirt/leaf bag, so nothing goes back into the pool. A bit pricey but totally worth it. You can find one for around $100 I think. I have a 24 ft above ground pool and I can pretty much get the whole bottom of the pool on one charge.
    Which model do you have? I have read some pretty bad reviews on catfish vacuums. Wondering if there is a specific model that is better than others.
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    Re: vacuum

    Quote Originally Posted by crs16
    Quote Originally Posted by pesto_osu
    I use a Catfish battery operated vacuum. You just attach it to the end of your adjustable pole. It has it's own dirt/leaf bag, so nothing goes back into the pool. A bit pricey but totally worth it. You can find one for around $100 I think. I have a 24 ft above ground pool and I can pretty much get the whole bottom of the pool on one charge.
    Which model do you have? I have read some pretty bad reviews on catfish vacuums. Wondering if there is a specific model that is better than others.
    I don't see a model number anywhere. It just says Pool Blaster Catfish PPV on the manual. I have an auto-vac too but the Catfish works great for spot cleaning. I also use a skimmer sock which helps a lot with dust and pollen.
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    Re: vacuum

    There are a couple very simple and free solutions to this problem. Since you already have a hose and vacuum head, the best thing to do is vacuum to waste. 1. Put the vacuum hose in front of the return to fill it with water. 2. Turn off the pump. 3. Disconnect the hose going from the pool to the pump where it connects to the pump and let water fun out onto the ground. 4. Connect the vacuum hose to the strainer connector. 5. Vacuum to waste using the natural water pressure. 6. Reconnect everything when you are done.

    Anyone reading this who doesn't have a vacuum kit can do basically the same thing (only much slower) with a garden hose. 1. Run a garden hose from the faucet into the pool. 2. Turn on the water and let it run a minute to get all the air out. 3. Turn off the faucet. 4. Quickly disconnect the hose from the faucet. This will cause water to start flowing backwards from the pool toward the faucet. 5. Get in the pool and use this suction to vacuum the pool with the garden hose. You could tape a pole to the garden hose in step 1 if you want to vacuum from outside the pool.
    18'x48" Intex metal frame pool, 1600 Intex sand filer/pump combo, Intex SWCG.

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    Re: vacuum

    Quote Originally Posted by cmsuprof
    The pump I have on it now is Wet Set 603. The original pump, which I am afraid I may have burned up is Intex 637R.

    The pool is an Intex 15ft x 4ft.
    The 603 is probably the worst pump ever made. You definitely downgraded in that department. I just did the opposite. I upgraded from the 603 to the 637R. It's filtering twice as much water per hour.

    Seriously, get another 637. I got mine new from Amazon for $39, plus $10 to ship.

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    Re: vacuum

    I am using the vac that came with the pool but I put a white knee high over opening then I put the mesh bag over that it works really good. I vacum every other day real quick and change the knee high as needed every few weeks.
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    Re: vacuum

    check out the post under Pumping Station about "Slimebag for 1/10 the price". I used "sort of the same idea" and it helped alot. All I have is the little 603 model pump and an old vacumn hose, but it sucks well enough to get dust and sediment from the bottom of our small pool. First, I use the venturi style on the garden hose to get all the leaves, bugs, twigs out, then vacumn the fine stuff, the bags catch ALOT of sediment that the cheapy filter doesn't catch and would end up going right back into the pool through the return.
    12' x 36" round Intex metal frame vinyl pool
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    Re: vacuum

    Quote Originally Posted by my4boys2002
    I am using the vac that came with the pool but I put a white knee high over opening then I put the mesh bag over that it works really good. I vacum every other day real quick and change the knee high as needed every few weeks.
    That is a really good idea! It also begs the question, why doesn't Intex use a finer material for the bag? I wonder how it would work if you attached one of these http://www.filtersfast.com/Pentek-BP...Bag-Filter.asp to the garden hose (venturi) vacuum. I bet it would do a pretty good job.
    18'x48" Intex metal frame pool, 1600 Intex sand filer/pump combo, Intex SWCG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILANDAARON
    check out the post under Pumping Station about "Slimebag for 1/10 the price". I used "sort of the same idea" and it helped alot. All I have is the little 603 model pump and an old vacumn hose, but it sucks well enough to get dust and sediment from the bottom of our small pool. First, I use the venturi style on the garden hose to get all the leaves, bugs, twigs out, then vacumn the fine stuff, the bags catch ALOT of sediment that the cheapy filter doesn't catch and would end up going right back into the pool through the return.
    I saw that thread was thinking of trying something similar. We have had a lot of rain the last few months, so I have just been vacuuming to waste. When the weather dries out an I don't need to drain water, I will give that a try. Do you just attach the bag to your return and vacuum through the filter? How do you attach the bag?
    18'x48" Intex metal frame pool, 1600 Intex sand filer/pump combo, Intex SWCG.

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    I just use the mesh bag that goes to the venturi thing. I slide it over the micron bag and use the drawstring to tighten it down over my return, tucking it all under return fitting so I get it on good. I might add that I ordered bags from Duda Diesel and they come with a metal ring sewn into the mouth opening. I just used side cutters to cut it and pull it out. I don't know if the McMaster(?) bags are like that or not. I ordered the 7" opening by 16" length. Make sure to spray them off as soon as you are done or they will harden up.
    12' x 36" round Intex metal frame vinyl pool
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    I have attached a micron bag to the venturi (used the mesh bag over it to keep it in place on vacumn) and it did work great! But I don't always need all that extra water added.
    12' x 36" round Intex metal frame vinyl pool
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    This got me to wondering how many microns a knee high would be. I found a pretty informative discussion about it at http://www.biodieseldiscussion.com/f...hp?t-6537.html. Since the hose are cheaper than the bags, it could be good to put the hose inside inside the filter bags as a pre-filter that would make the biodiesel bags last longer.
    18'x48" Intex metal frame pool, 1600 Intex sand filer/pump combo, Intex SWCG.

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    Re: vacuum

    I use the vacuum that comes with the Intex Deluxe Maintenance Kit. Thing works great. Haven't had any super fine stuff in the pool though.
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