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    Crack in step

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    I have a crack in my step. I believe it is made of plastic. Not the type you can take out for the winter, it's set in the concrete at the shallow end of the pool. Last year, the guy servicing my pool put some kind of caulking to close it up. This year the crack has lengthened and is almost at water level.

    Is there any way to fix this?

    Thanks!

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    Re: Crack in step

    They're most likely fiberglass. The only way to stop a stress crack (that's what you have) is to driil stops (a small hole) at both ends of the crack and grind the crack and repair it. Most marine repair shops could repair it where you couldn't tell it. I'd check around with a few ad you might get lucky and find one of the guys that would look at it.
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    Re: Crack in step

    I hate to say it but, your steps weren't properly backfilled nor supported

    There is a void under them that makes them vulnerable to flexing and, thereby, stressing -which weakens the fiberglass and causes the leak.

    I can tell you more but, with the holiday weekend, it might not be until Wed.
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    Re: Crack in step

    My pool guy told me he contacted someone who fixes fiberglass boats and this guy says he didn't think he could fix the steps.

    Would drilling the two holes and repairing it be a permanent fix?

    To me it feels like plastic and not fiberglass...do they make plastic steps?

    Should i contact the pool builder?

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    That's probably your best bet. They can tell you what they are and if they have a warranty.
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    Re: Crack in step

    I just talked to them and they are Fiberglass. She says those steps only have only year of warranty.

    The crack is at the very top where the deck is and is moving down and inwards almost to the first step now. So i'd like to fix it before it gets down to water level.

    The lady also told me i should put plastic bottles half filled with sand on each step over the winter, i guess it absorbs the ice expansion.

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    Re: Crack in step

    If they are fiberglass, they can be fixed. I am a home builder and I saw a plumber drop a running saw in a new bathtub. It ran flopping around in the tub for a few seconds before they got it unplugged. The plumber had a bathtub repair company (From the yellow pages) come in and they repaired it and you could not even tell it had ever happened.

    What you are feeling that feels like plastic is the gelcoat over the fiberglass.

    I hope this gives you a few new ideas.

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    Re: Crack in step

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadian
    I just talked to them and they are Fiberglass. She says those steps only have only year of warranty.

    The crack is at the very top where the deck is and is moving down and inwards almost to the first step now. So i'd like to fix it before it gets down to water level.

    The lady also told me i should put plastic bottles half filled with sand on each step over the winter, i guess it absorbs the ice expansion.

    The sand bottles are an "old school" idea and would only work if they attracted water nymphs over the winter to protect your steps (though they might relieve a bit of the ice stress on the step area)

    As I said before, your steps were not properly supported and backfilled - this is on your PB!

    If the pool and steps had been properly backfilled and allowed to compact before the deck was installed, you would not have this problem!!

    A fiberglass repair company could patch the existing crack, but it is useless until the void under the steps is repaired
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    Re: Crack in step

    So how would i fix the back fill problem?

    I'll try and upload a picture later, but to me the crack seems like it came from the deck moving (sideways) and the step didn't follow, but what do i know. lol

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    Re: Crack in step

    Well, i had an acrylic repair guy come in. He actually does warranty work for my pool step company. He looked at it and said it is repairable. He says the deck (cement) settled and, over time, the stress on the step cracked it. He also says that it shouldn't crack again.

    So he came back and fixed it for $300. Isn't noticeable anymore. I just hope it remains that way for years.

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    Glad to hear you got it resolved and a pretty plausible explanation of what caused it.
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    Re: Crack in step

    winter is over and i noticed yesterday that the crack in the steps is starting again. It seems like it's the exact same spot. The stuff that he put on to fix it is cracking. Starting from the very top again.

    I called the guy who repaired it and he's coming this week.

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    Re: Crack in step

    I'm sick to my stomach! We JUST replaced our liner...I was sitting on the top step/coping area and watching the water filling it...only about 6 inches to go and it's re-filled - new liner and hoping for no more trouble. I glanced down and saw a 5 inch hairline crack and almost gagged. Wondered how yours made out after 2 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acadian
    Well, i had an acrylic repair guy come in. He actually does warranty work for my pool step company. He looked at it and said it is repairable. He says the deck (cement) settled and, over time, the stress on the step cracked it. He also says that it shouldn't crack again.

    So he came back and fixed it for $300. Isn't noticeable anymore. I just hope it remains that way for years.

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    Re: Crack in step

    Does anyone have any knowledge or reveiws on the pool step specialists? specifically the step thread repair kit. I have not spoken to them yet and I wondered how it worked. thanks, Janet
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    Re: Crack in step

    My local pool retailer recommended Pool Step Specialists and one of their kits for my cracked tread. Dave at Pool Step Specialists.com was very helpful, and fully explained my problems and best way to deal with the stairs after I had sent a photo to them. I was very happy with the outcome, my stairs are fully supported and look great, you wouldn't even know they were cracked and leaking water. The D.I.Y. kit was much cheaper than other quotes I had received.

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    Re: Crack in step

    Has anyone else used the pool step specialist and were you happy with the outcome? I have several cracks.
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    my pool is a 18x36 inground with Romans style ends. 8' deep with steel walls and a vinyl liner. 26,730 gallons

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    Re: Crack in step

    I used a Pool Step Specialists Repair kit last summer, stair looks great. I had a major crack on the step that my pool renovator said couldn't be repaired, and had to replace. My deck is only a few years old, with brand new stamped concrete. I cringed at having to break up the deck to replace. After contacting Pool Step Specialists, they put together a specific kit for my troubled stair, their kit along with guidance allowed me to perform a repair that I was amazed at how it all turned out. They told me they have been doing step repairs for over 20 years, very knowledgeable group.
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    Re: Crack in step

    Quote Originally Posted by JohntheDiver View Post
    I used a Pool Step Specialists Repair kit last summer, stair looks great. I had a major crack on the step that my pool renovator said couldn't be repaired, and had to replace. My deck is only a few years old, with brand new stamped concrete. I cringed at having to break up the deck to replace. After contacting Pool Step Specialists, they put together a specific kit for my troubled stair, their kit along with guidance allowed me to perform a repair that I was amazed at how it all turned out. They told me they have been doing step repairs for over 20 years, very knowledgeable group.
    Did you coordinate the repair with a liner replacement? I have small cracks in my steps that I'd like to repair, but I'm hesitant to take the water down that low. Did you brace the sidewalls for this?
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    Re: Crack in step

    The crack occurred over the winter, and our budget didn't allow us to fully replace the steps and the liner as my pool contractor was quoting. So our pool was empty for a few months until I was able to repair the stairs myself. Then we had the pool company install a new liner. You don't need to worry about bracing the walls of a vinyl liner pool, as the "A" brackets that are on the ground side, along with the wall bottom lip on the ground side are all encased in concrete for strength and stability. Our pool was empty for 3 1/2 months until all was repaired. If you have a liner in the pool, you just don't want to drain your pool down, so there is no weight on the liner, as a vinyl liner can wrinkle if it isn't kept tight against the sidewalls. Usually about 4 inches in shallow end is enough to keep it tight.

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    Re: Crack in step

    Thanks for the info...I'll have to see how things look when I open this year, but it seems like the surface cracks are really increasing in number.
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