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    Newbie needs HELP!!

    Tomorrow makes two weeks that I have had my pool. I have an Intex ultra rectangle pool. 8500 gallons. I upgraded my pump to the 4000 gal per hour. I also have a salt water generator. Except for the salt the only thing that I have added to the pool is Cyanuric Acid (4 pounds total on two different days). I got up this morning and the sides of the pool felt a little slimy. I am new to the whole chemistry part. I tested the water this morning but, wanted another opinion. I went to Leslie pool's and this is what they got.

    0 FC
    0 TC
    7.6 PH
    140 TA
    40 CA
    250 CH
    3300 Salt
    200 Phosphates

    This is what they want me to do:

    Put in new filter
    Add 16 oz of Chlor Brite
    Add 14 oz of Algae Control
    Wait 12 hours, then vacuum pool
    Change filter again
    Add 1/2 bag of salt
    Run salt generator for 24 hours, and then turn it down to 8 hours
    Add 48 oz of water conditioner
    Wait 4 hours
    Add 26 oz of phos free
    Every week add two caps of phos free

    This seemed like a lot of stuff. Does this seem right? I bought everything and it came to $133.00. Thought it was high but, I am new at this. Thank you for any help.

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    I'm assuming you didn't add any chlorine at all other than the SWG? Use the pool calculator to see what level of CYA adding 4 lbs. did to your 8500 gallons. You want between 60 and 80 depending on the SWG. Then add enough plain old bleach to bring it to the target level for FC using the chlorine/CYA chart in pool school. I'd put a gallon or two in it real quick myself! You may already need to go thru the shock process though. See pool school. Use the SWG to maintain your FC levels by pump run times. Then brush the pool and hope you get lucky for no algae or slime. Welcome! (Feel free to return all that stuff you bought!) Kept a receipt I hope. People clean their cartridge filters and use them long as they can. Please consider ordering one of the tests kits this site recommends. Best pool money you'll ever spend.
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    Re: Newbie needs HELP!!

    Thanks woodyp. Really, thanks a lot.

    I didn't have any bleach so I went ahead and put in the chlor brite from Leslie's pool. Better than nothing until I can go to the store tomorrow. I tested the water about an hour after I added it and my FC was 7.5 and TC was .5. Should I do anything else? When should I retest?

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    Is 200 high for Phosphates?

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    Re: Newbie needs HELP!!

    Phosphates are irrelevant. You should also return everything you can to the pool store except the conditioner (CYA). You don't need it.

    Your pool needed chlorine and very probably still needs more than your SWG is currently producing.

    If the walls are slimy, you have algae and need to shock the pool.

    Please read exactly what it means to shock your pool in Pool School and follow those directions. The slime will go away and the swg will be able to keep chlorine in the pool once you complete the shock process.
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    What they said.. you can clean it up w/o all that expense and unnecessary product. Read through the entire pool school and the "how to shock" section. It is loaded w/lots of great information. Questions after that.. just ask. Plenty of caring people around here that help!

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    Re: Newbie needs HELP!!

    I just read the section on "how to shock". I have a question about that. My pool tested this morning at FC 7 and CC .5. My question is, should I bring the FC level up to the "shock FC". My CYA yesterday was 40. The chart for SWG doesn't have 40. Should I bring that up at the same time to like 70 and then bring the Shock FClevel to 28? Not sure what I should do. Also will the pool be safe to swim in today? Even if I bring up the shock level to 28?? Ok, just one more question does the CC matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherron100
    I just read the section on "how to shock". I have a question about that. My pool tested this morning at FC 7 and CC .5. My question is, should I bring the FC level up to the "shock FC". My CYA yesterday was 40. The chart for SWG doesn't have 40. Should I bring that up at the same time to like 70 and then bring the Shock FClevel to 28? Not sure what I should do. Also will the pool be safe to swim in today? Even if I bring up the shock level to 28?? Ok, just one more question does the CC matter?
    Do not add more CYA now and use the shock value for current CYA of 40, which is about FC 15.

    It cost less and is easier to shock with a lower CYA value. Takes less bleach $$ to reach shock level and you have fewer jugs to carry

    Once you are completely done shocking (see red lines in my sig), you can increase your CYA levels to the recommended of 60 to 80. And yes, CC matters.

    We don't recommend swimming at shock level or above. But, if FC drops below 15 today & water is clear, you should be okay to swim.
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    Butterfly,

    Last night I shocked my SWG pool. I started out with 0 FC. After an hour I retested it and it was 7.5. This morning I tested it and it was 7. The water is clear, I only lost .5 overnight and my CC this morning is .5. My question is, should I go ahead and bring the FC up to 15 even tho the water looks good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherron100
    Butterfly,

    Last night I shocked my SWG pool. I started out with 0 FC. After an hour I retested it and it was 7.5. This morning I tested and it was 7. The water is clear, I only lost .5 overnight and my CC this morning is .5. My question is, should I go ahead and bring the FC up to 15 even tho the water looks good?
    If you had your SWG running last night, then the overnight test is inaccurate, and you should continue to shock.

    If the SWG was OFF, then it appears that you passed the OCLT and have .5 CC. Is your water clear?
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    The water is very clear and I did run the SWG all night and it is still running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherron100
    The water is very clear and I did run the SWG all night and it is still running.
    Well, the overnight test has to be done with the SWG OFF.

    I suggest you increase your FC levels today w/bleach to just below shock level and swim and have a good time and leave the SWG running. Keep a check on the FC level thruout the day.

    Then tonight, shock and turn off the SWG and do the OCLT. Hopefully you will pass with flying colors
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    Re: Newbie needs HELP!!

    I don't see anything in pool school about how long to wait after I add the bleach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherron100
    I don't see anything in pool school about how long to wait after I add the bleach.
    Wait 30 mins. with pump running. Retest to make sure you hit your target.
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    Re: Newbie needs HELP!!

    Thank you thank you thank you everyone for the help. We had a good day swimming. I shocked the pool about two hours ago. The FC was 10.5. It is now 15.5. I will test in the morning.

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    Glad ya'll had a good day!

    Did you turn off the SWG for the OCLT?
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    The swg is off. What does OCLT stand for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherron100
    The swg is off. What does OCLT stand for?
    Sorry 'bout that, thought you had been given that info earlier in the thread

    "OCLT" = Overnight Free Chlorine Loss Test. Here, you should read about it! pool-school/overnight_fc_test
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    Re: Newbie needs HELP!!

    Well, I tested this morning but, it was at 9. Didn't read the OCLT till just before testing. Oh Well. My FC was 11. Water was very clear. Should I keep shocking today and bring it up to 15 again tonight? Thank you so much Butterfly for your help. I would have been lost.

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    Re: Newbie needs HELP!!

    Yes, you need to stay in Shock mode until you don't lose more than 1ppm FC overnight. The SWG must be off so that you know exactly how much FC you have lost. With the SWG running, it is adding more FC through the night and that will throw off your numbers. If you are losing FC overnight, it means organics are eating it, as the sun has now been taken out of the equation. If an algae blooms is trying to take hold, backing off even a little can give it the opportunity to do so.
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