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    League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    We plan on signing on the dotted line soon. Here are our final specs, after making some alterations to the original. We are first-time pool builders, so I want to make sure we get all the advice we can from people who have have been down this road. Thanks in advance for any insight you can give.
    GENERAL SPECIFICAT IONS:

    POOL SIZE: 21' X 26' X 40'
    POOL DEPTH: 3誰多遜6" X 8'0"
    AREA OF POOL: 685 Sq. Ft.
    PERIMETER: 115誰多遜

    SPA SPECIFICATIONS:

    SPA SIZE: 6' X 9' ID 誰多遜 WITH SPLIT LEVEL SEATING
    SPA SHAPE: FREEFORM
    RAISED: 12" WITH FLAGSTONE TERRACED SPILLWAY

    MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT:

    FILTER: Pentair Quad DE Filter
    POOL PUMP: Pentair 4 x 160 Variable Speed Pump
    WATERFEATURE PUMP: Pentair Whisperflo 1.0 HP
    VALVES: Never Lube Valves 誰多遜 Multi Port Valves - Backwash Line
    SKIMMERS: 2 ea. Tan Skimmers
    POOL LIGHTS: Pentair Intellibrite LED 誰多遜 GFCI Protected Lights
    MAIN DRAINS: Dual Anti-Vortex
    INLETS: 6 ea (5 in Pool and 1 in Spa)
    CLEANER: Pentair Letro Legend with 誰多遜 HP Booster Pump
    TIMER: Wireless Easy Touch 8 Controller
    CHLORINATOR: Pentair Intellichor IC 40 Salt Generator
    HEATER: Pentair 400,000 BTU Master-Temp Heater
    AIR BLOWER: Silencer 2 HP Air Blower
    SPA LIGHT: Pentair Intellibrite LED 誰多遜 GFCI Protected Light
    SPA JETS: 6 ea


    STRUCTURAL POOL SPECIFICATIONS:

    BEAM: 4 Bar Box Beams #4 Bar
    WALLS / FLOORS: #3 Bar 6" X 6" On Center
    GUNITE: 6 To 1 Cement To Sand Ratio
    GUNITE (BEAM): 12"
    GUNITE (FLOORS): 9" With Weep Holes
    STEPS / BENCHES: Per Plan

    PLUMBING SPECIFICATIONS:

    2" SUCTION, SEPARATE LINES, SEPARATE VALVES / PVC SCHEDULE 40 ON ALL POOL PIPING PVC SCHEDULE 80 ON ALL PUMP CONNECTIONS

    ELECTRICAL AND GAS:

    ALL ELECTRICAL AND 30' OF GAS INCLUDED (METER BY OWNER)

    TILE / COPING AND INTERIOR SPECIFICATIONS:

    COPING: Natural Select Flagstone
    TILE: Standard Waterline Tile
    INTERIOR FINISH: Diamond Brite Cat I Quartz
    TRIM TILE ON STEPS & BENCHES: Customer Selection

    DECK SPECIFICATIONS:

    DECK AREA: 1085 Sq Ft
    DECK TYPE: Spray Decking
    STEEL SPECS: # 3 Bar - 16" OC
    THICKNESS: 4"

    POOL MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT:

    MAINTENANCE POLE: 8誰多遜 To 16誰多遜 Telescoping Pole
    VACUUM HEAD: 12" Deluxe Vacuum Head
    VACUUM HOSE: 35誰多遜 Deluxe Vacuum Hose
    WALL BRUSH: Heavy Duty Wall Brush
    LEAF NET: Deep Net Skimmer
    TEST KIT: Deluxe 4-Part Kit




    MISCELLANEOUS:

    START-UP CHEMICALS D.E. WHERE APPLICABLE, ACID, STABILIZER, CHLORINE TABS, SHOCK, ALGAECIDE (Salt added 30 days after pool is plastered)

    INCLUDED OPTIONS:

    6" O.C. STEEL
    3 TON MOSS ROCK WATERFALL
    29' OF MOSS ROCK WEEPING WALL WITH 3 WEEPERS
    MOSS ROCK PLANTER
    1ST STEP TANNING LEDGE WITH UMBRELLA ANCHOR AND FLAGSTONE STAR
    SEAL FLAGSTONE COPING AND MOSS ROCK
    LED LIGHTING IN POOL AND SPA
    SEPARATE WATERFEATURE PUMP
    SPLIT LEVEL SEATING IN SPA WITH 6 JETS
    UMBRELLA ANCHORS IN DECKING
    FILL LINE AND OVERFLOW LINE
    CUSTOM STEPS AND BENCHES
    FINAL CLEAN UP OF JOBSITE SAND ADDED AND GRADED
    LABEL ALL POOL PLUMBING
    START UP CLASS
    SPRAY DECKING ON EXISTING CONCRETE PATIO
    6' SR SMITH DIVING BOARD WITH STAND
    25' OF FLAGSTONE INSERTS INCLUDED (TO BE ADDED AT DECKING STAGE)
    ADDITIONAL BENCH ON SIDE OF SPA (TO BE ADDED LATER)

    WARRANTY INFORMATION:

    LIFE TIME STRUCTURAL WARRANTY * 1 YEAR WARRANTY ON ALL WORKMANSHIP* THREE YEAR (PARTS) MANUFACTURES WARRANTY ON PENTAIR PUMPS AND EQUIPMENT AND ONE YEAR (PARTS) ON AIR SUPPLY EQUIPMENT

    ITEMS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL:

    ADDITIONAL MATERIALS OR LABOR DUE TO POOR SOIL CONDITIONS OR WATER TABLE
    UNKNOWN DEBRIS OR TREE STUMPS IN AREAS OF EXCAVATION
    REROUTES OF ANY TYPE (SEWER, SEPTIC, GAS, ELECTRIC, PHONE, CABLE)
    REPAIRS TO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES OR SPRINKLER LINES
    REPAIRS TO SIDEWALK, SOD OR DRIVEWAY FOR ACCESS OF EXCAVATION MACHINES
    LARGER GAS METER OR PROPANE TANKS 誰多遜 HOOK UP TO PROPANE TANKS
    POTS OR PLANTERS
    ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL SERVICE
    LANDSCAPING
    PATIO FURNITURE
    FENCING
    DRAIN LINE RAN TO STREET
    APPLICANCES FOR OUTDOOR KITCHEN
    TREE REMOVAL
    PIERS PER ENGINEER SPECIFICATIONS


    CUSTOMERS RESPONSIBILITY:

    ATTEND PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING
    MAKE ALL GATES, FENCES AND DOORS SWIMMING CODE COMPLIANT
    PICK OUT TILE, COPING, PLASTER AND DECKING CHOICES IN A TIMELY MANNER
    WATER GUNITE TWICE DAILY FOR 10 DAYS
    MANAGE WATER AT POOL FILL
    BRUSH PLASTER TWICE DAILY FOR 10 DAYS
    HELP MAINTAIN CONSTRUCTION BARRIER DURING TIME OF CONSTRUCTION
    MAKE ALL PAYMENTS PER CONTRACT SCHEDULE
    Texas
    21 x 26 x 40 pool, 3'6" x 8'6" depth, 685 sq. ft. area, 115' perimeter, 6' x 9' spa, freeform, 1085 sq. ft. Mission Tan spraydeck, Sunstone Smoke plaster

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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    Welcome to TFP!

    That sounds like it is going to be a nice pool. The equipment selection looks great, surprisingly good actually. The only thing that caught my eye was the flagstone terraced spillway. Flagstone doesn't always do very well around salt water.
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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    Thanks for the reply! Any suggestion on what we should use other than flagstone for the spa? We are using flagstone for the coping. This pool builder said he will seal the flagstone. We really like the look. I am really nervous, though, from all I have been reading about salt water and flagstone problems. He said we need to use Oklahoma flagstone. We are going for the lagoon look, with the waterfall and moss rock weeping wall and flagstone coping.

    I am so glad to hear that the equipment is good. I want something that will be efficient.

    One thing I wasn't sure of that I have read lately said you need plenty of returns. I am not sure what those are, but I know that there is nothing listed on his proposal as far as returns go. On a pool this size, with the tanning ledge, how many returns should we need?
    Texas
    21 x 26 x 40 pool, 3'6" x 8'6" depth, 685 sq. ft. area, 115' perimeter, 6' x 9' spa, freeform, 1085 sq. ft. Mission Tan spraydeck, Sunstone Smoke plaster

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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mtgans
    One thing I wasn't sure of that I have read lately said you need plenty of returns. I am not sure what those are, but I know that there is nothing listed on his proposal as far as returns go. On a pool this size, with the tanning ledge, how many returns should we need?
    I believe the number of returns is itemized in your qoute, just with different terminolgy:

    INLETS: 6 ea (5 in Pool and 1 in Spa)

    I'm certaintly not a pool builder, but from everything I've seen and read, 5 returns on a pool of that size should be more than sufficient.
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    18' X 38' IG Vinyl, 3' - 8' depth ~ 24K gallons
    2 skimmers, 2 wall suctions, 3 returns, 1.5" piping

    Hayward Equipment: 1HP Tri-star 2-speed, Aqua-Plus SWG,
    Star-Clear Plus 175 sqft cartridge filter, Colorlogic 4.0 LED

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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    There are many different kinds of flagstone. Some of them are fine, others have problems. It sounds like the builder is aware of the issues and has selected something appropriate.

    As mx702 said, inlets are another word for returns.
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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    Okay, great. Thanks for letting me know about the inlets. I had no idea that was one and the same. Sounds like I am covered as far as having plenty. I am so glad I found this forum! It is great to get advice from those knowledgable on the subject of pools. It will
    Make signing our contract much less stressful understanding and getting confirmation from others in regards to making sure we have everything we need and are not forgetting anything. As far as the flagstone, I am just keeping my fingers crossed that we won't have problems. I am hoping sealing it will help. I appreciate tremendously the input!
    Texas
    21 x 26 x 40 pool, 3'6" x 8'6" depth, 685 sq. ft. area, 115' perimeter, 6' x 9' spa, freeform, 1085 sq. ft. Mission Tan spraydeck, Sunstone Smoke plaster

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    If there is a reason to suspect a high water table, non virgin soil, or heavy clay content soil, get a soils engineer's report before you dig. Then piers, drywells, etc... can be planned and budgeted for. Finding out after you start digging always costs more than the report. Forewarned is forearmed.

    #3 with 6" spacing? #4 with 12" should be less money and plenty strong.

    Gunite or shotcrete? What strength will be used?

    The VS has replaced the 4x160 which was renamed the VS-3050. Pentair simply removed the SVRS function in the controller of the VS-SVRS. It now has internal timers and 8 presettable speeds and the LCD panel.

    I suggest up sizing the cell to an IC-60.

    Get a good vac head. Expect the one they give you to have a plastic neck and plastic axles. It won't last. Look for one with a swiveling metal neck and ball bearing wheels. A pro grade 18" is a bit pricey but worth it!

    A similar situation for the brush. Get one with a metal neck and spine. The all plastics snap.

    Get a 40' hose. It will be easier to maneuver when it is furthest from the skimmer.

    I didn't see a skimming net.

    Get a better test kit. The 4 way won't cut it.

    I suggest adding a Rainbow 320 tab feeder for startup and backup use.

    I didn't see an automation system.

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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    I would want more than 6 spa jets in a 6x9 ID spa. But that's just me...
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    Heat Jandy EE2000t
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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    You have plenty of returns in the pool, but only 1 in the spa sounds like a problem to me.

    If it is a typically sized return, then the water flow through it will be lower and your spa will not heat up as quickly. I would say you need at least 2 returns to the spa to achieve a respectable GPM rate to utilize a 400k BTU heater. You have the heater, might as well use it.

    Over time, especially with lots of trees in the yard, and freezing temps in a colder climate (if that is where you are) can increase the risk of cracked return lines. I would ask your pool builder about running separate PVC lines to each return and connecting them together at a central manifold location near the pool equipment. Burried below ground would be good for freeze protection, but you should know where it is and be able to dig it up if needed. This way if something happens to one of your return lines you can isolate it and cap it off and the pool still works (less one return).

    You don't need to do this, but if it was MY pool.....
    I would have an extra return installed with a dedicated line back to the pool equipment where you could hook up various geeky pool equipment such as a Triopure, ozone injector, airation injector or 24 hour recirculation pump on a UV light, etc.....but that is just because I like messing with that stuff.

    Make sure your deck is large enough to accommodate a reel to roll up a solar cover should you decide on one in the future.

    I would consider solar heat as a supplement if feasible in your location and budget.

    Nothing wrong with a DE filter, but not my preference. DE is carcinogenic if you inhale it. You have to lug it home from the pool store in 25 pound boxes. Whenever you backwash that stuff goes down the drain and you have to add more. And every once in a while you have to disassemble the entire filter and clean the sludge out of it. My preference would be the largest cartridge filter you can get. I clean mine twice a year and forget about it the rest of the time.

    Keep in mind a LifeTime structural warranty is great, however, pool builders frequently come and go so no guarantee they will be around down the road.

    I'm a big believer in a dedicated pool fence, even if your yard is fenced. Safety first!

    Good luck. Going to be a great pool!
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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    Thanks so much for all of your input and insights and for taking the time to look over our bid. We have taken all of our final questions and questions gleaned from your input to our builder and have now made all of our final decisions! I feel so much more confident after having gotten so much help and information from this forum. It is fantastic and I visit it daily! We signed on the dotted line with the pool builder today and are really excited about getting started....anxious about the building part, but excited about the final outcome, our own backyard oasis! I have always wanted a pool and never thought I would ever get one. I will definitely start a thread on our build process when we get started...hopefully in a couple of weeks after permits are approved. And to add to the excitement of today, League City finally got some rain today!
    Texas
    21 x 26 x 40 pool, 3'6" x 8'6" depth, 685 sq. ft. area, 115' perimeter, 6' x 9' spa, freeform, 1085 sq. ft. Mission Tan spraydeck, Sunstone Smoke plaster

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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    mtgan,

    I too live in League City. We're looking for recommendations for builders in our area. Who are you going to use?

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    Re: League City - Final Pool Specs - Advice?

    We met with two different builders and ended up going with Decorative Pools. We r starting the building process this week.
    Texas
    21 x 26 x 40 pool, 3'6" x 8'6" depth, 685 sq. ft. area, 115' perimeter, 6' x 9' spa, freeform, 1085 sq. ft. Mission Tan spraydeck, Sunstone Smoke plaster

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    Awesome! Good luck. If you don't mind me asking who was the other builder you considered?

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    I would bet it was Atlantis Pools. Kelly, aka huskyrider, is frequently in that area, uses Jandy equipment, and does some awesome work. I have yet to see anyone have a problem with his team.

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