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    40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    I opened my pool a week and a half ago... It was a swamp like it is every year at opening due to a stone fixture that makes it impossible to keep leaves/debris from entering. That issue aside.
    After vacuuming/shocking/brushing the pool daily my water is still cloudy.
    I've tried adding DE to the skimmers to boost filtering.. no effect.
    My readings are all in spec, apart from CH which is low.
    FC 3-10.0 i let it drop for two days to swim in.
    PH 7.2
    TA 100
    CH 110
    CYA 30

    Im starting to think the problem is in my filter (Pentair TR-100 Sand filter) as ive seen a dusting of sand at the bottom of the pool under one of the returns. Can anyone give me some instructions on how to troubleshoot the filter for issues? I've always kind of been of the mindset that if the pressure is correct, its good to go. Also, fyi the sand in the filter is only two years old.

    Thanks,

    M.Walsh
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Welcome to TFP!

    How does your filter pressure behave? It should be zero when the pump is off. And fairly stable when the pump is on, but rising slowly over days or weeks. If you haven't backwashed the filter in a long time, try backwashing it now.

    How long as it been since you started shocking?
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Have you backwashed recently? Doe sthe sand come out every time the pump starts, or just after backwashing?

    You say your pool is still cloudy. Can you post your CC or TC numbers? Do you hold FC overnight?

    It took several days, more like a week, to clear the white cloudiness from my pool after shock.

    We have the same filter and about the same size pool.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    TC has been at 3ppm and FC holds steady overnight.

    I've been backwashing once every 3 or so days... or when the pressure gets to around 35psi.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    TC is at 3 when your FC is at 3 or when it's at 10? Huge difference. To go along with Jason's question, are you still shocking now, and for how long if so? What is your psi after backwashing?
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    TC drops more than FC... They havent been in a 1 to 10 ratio for me.
    After i shock the pool, the FC gets to 10 as does the TC.
    But then overnight TC drops to ~3 while FC remains constant till the sun hits it.

    I havent been watching the PSI as closely as I should.. After back washing its normally ~26-29 PSI, then stabilizes at 30psi. Once it creeps above 35psi, i backwash.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    So let me make sure I understand:
    Beginning of night, TC is 10 and in the AM it is 3?
    Also, your FC remains 10 through the night?

    The math doesn't work for me, I don't see how you could have a TC of 3 and an FC of 10.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Those numbers are approx as im stuck with test strips until my kit arrives.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Went to the pool store and had them test the water to get exact results..

    Temp: 78
    Saturation Idx -0.5
    TDS 400
    CYA 70
    Tot Chlorine 3.7
    free Chlorine 3.7
    PH 7.5
    Tot Alk 93
    Adj Total Alk 72
    Tot. Hardness 95

    Last night, i shocked/brushed/vacuumed the pool again.
    I also put in 10lbs of BP300 before bed and 6 cups of baking soda this morning.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    CYA at 70 is very different from CYA at 30. If CYA is really 70 you have been using way too little chlorine. Shock level with CYA at 70 is around 24.

    What kind of "shock" are you using? Can you tell us the chemical name on the ingredients list, or the brand name?
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    I've been using %6 bleach.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    OK, I have a suggestion, but I am open to comment from the experts.

    You hvae a big pool. It's going to take you a tanker of 6% bleach to shock your pool. Ask me how I know (look at my details!).

    I am guessing you have a plaster/concrete/gunite pool. (post more info on your setup!). If so, your hardness is low, if that test is accurate. In that case, you can use Cal Hypo powder to shock, and it'll get your calcium up at the same time. You should be able to go through the entire process without overrunning your CH limits. Unfortunately, I don't have at hand a quick reference to tell you how many pounds of Cal Hypo would get you up to 300, hopefully someone can chime in. It would be a LOT though in your pool.

    Do you have a salt water pool or no? Again, more details would be good.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    ~40k gallon in ground Concrete/Blue Stone pool TR-100 Sand Filter, Pentair Whisperflo 2 speed pump.

    Its not a salt water pool.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Your CYA is north of where you need it to be, but manageable. Just make sure you shock appropriate to the level of CYA. Once you go through that process, your pool should clear.

    Does anyone disagree with Cal Hypo in his situation? IMO it would be beneficial to get his CH up.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    What is a target CYA level? 30?
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    30-50 for a non-salt pool. poolcalculator.com can help you with targets (select troublefreepool.com as your goal levels at the bottom) and with measurements when you need to make additions.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH
    30-50 for a non-salt pool. poolcalculator.com can help you with targets (select troublefreepool.com as your goal levels at the bottom) and with measurements when you need to make additions.
    Those *******s at the pool store had me put in more stabalizer when my CYA was at 30 last week.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    A little more won't hurt. There are plenty running 50 here. I shoot for 40 to be in the middle, and it leaves me room to float some pucks if I am going to be gone for a long time (although I don't need to do this anymore since getting the liquidator). 70 is a bit high for a non salt water pool, but you should be able to manage it. As you are seeing though, shock level needs to be a lot higher.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Thanks for your help.. I'll let you know how it goes with the new shock levels.
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    Re: 40k Gal pool, levels within spec, pool still cloudy.

    Just thought id stop by and thank you guys for the help.. and post a couple pictures of my pools progress from swamp to pool.

    my swamp..


    after a day and just a couple gallons of bleach/scrubbing/vacuuming


    another day, more scrubbing/bleach


    This is about where I was when I started this thread


    after following the ideas in this thread for 3 days.


    as it stands now.


    Thanks again.

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