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Thread: Pool Frog to BBB early in the season!!

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    Pool Frog to BBB early in the season!!

    Hello all and thanks for this great forum! I recently had a new pool installed. This is my first "real" pool. I had an Intex with a cartridge filter and saltwater generator for about 2 1/2 seasons so I have some experience with pools. When I purchased this pool I was told the Frog System was the easiest way to go so I went ahead and got it. Of course a month later I stumble on this site looking for more information about pool maintenance in general. It seems the way to go is to switch to the BBB method so that is what Im going to do!

    When we purchased the pool, the Maintenance pack came with many of the chemicals suggested as part of the BBB system (albeit more expensive versions Im sure). Here is a list of what we have:

    Poolife ph minus: Sodium Bisulfate 92%
    Poolife ph plus: Sodium Carbonate 98%
    Poolife Stabilizer and Conditioner: Cyanuric Acid 96%
    Poolife Algaecheck Algaecide
    Poolife Natural Clarifier
    SpringPill

    Today I took my water sample to The Biggest pool store in the area expecting an elaborate printout of the levels of my pool. The guy used a little 2 or 3 step test kit with drops and told me everything looked good except I needed to raise the TA. He said dump in about a half a box of "this". Gee thanks.
    So then I took the sample over to the other local store and got a slightly better result. He used test strips and did give me a printout but I question the accuracy. The conclusion was the same. Everything looks good except the TA. Here is the readout:

    TH 250ppm
    CC 0ppm
    FC 3ppm
    pH 7.2
    TA 40ppm
    Cya 30ppm

    So are here are my questions:
    1) Is it likely my water is acceptable to be letting everyone swim in until I convert to BBB?
    2) Where do I start and do I need to dump some of the water to get rid of the minerals that Poolfrog put in my pool? (I have 2 blondes in the family and dont want to see them one day get out of the pool with green tinged hair)
    3) I thought about keeping the poolfrog for use when we are away on vacation(twice this year for a little over a week each) and taking out the mineral cartridge, but maybe floating chlorine tablets are easier?
    4) Are the test strips sold at stores anywhere near accurate enough to properly convert to BBB or do I definitely get the kit?
    5) What chemicals do I need in addition to the ones I have and which can I just get rid of (or try and return)

    I read alot about BBB and the main article at least twice all the way through, so I have a relative grip on the concept. At this point, considering I have been running the pool for a month with Poolfrog, its not exactly a fresh start. So, where do i start??

    Thanks so much in advance!!
    Joe

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    Re: Pool Frog to BBB early in the season!!

    Where do you start? Order up a proper test kit. I use a TF100XL and a speedstir. I also hunted down some more stir bars on ebay, so I can run all the tests before I have to rinse anything. Next thing to do is bookmark Pool Calculator. Plug your numbers in, select pool surface, etc, and it will tell you what to add.

    In your case, baking soda. It will raise pH a little, which you can then adjust with muriatic acid or that "pH down." Personally, I avoid the dry acid. It has sulfur in it, and I'm not enough of a chemist to know what will trigger the reaction, but I do know that sulfur stinks!
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    Re: Pool Frog to BBB early in the season!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320
    Where do you start? Order up a proper test kit. I use a TF100XL and a speedstir. I also hunted down some more stir bars on ebay, so I can run all the tests before I have to rinse anything. Next thing to do is bookmark Pool Calculator. Plug your numbers in, select pool surface, etc, and it will tell you what to add.

    In your case, baking soda. It will raise pH a little, which you can then adjust with muriatic acid or that "pH down." Personally, I avoid the dry acid. It has sulfur in it, and I'm not enough of a chemist to know what will trigger the reaction, but I do know that sulfur stinks!
    I thought Borax was the preferred additive to raise PH instead of 3# of baking soda today, or did I misread that? BBB?

    I would have used Borax instead of baking soda today, after reading the info I read, so I must have misread it???? Guess I need to re-read again. I'm a newbie so have no idea.

    JJ
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    DE filter
    1 horse pump..don't know flow rate
    Chlorine Feeder
    Pool Newbie (only 3 1/2 years)

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    Re: Pool Frog to BBB early in the season!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JJSeabrook
    I thought Borax was the preferred additive to raise PH instead of 3# of baking soda today, or did I misread that? BBB?

    I would have used Borax instead of baking soda today, after reading the info I read, so I must have misread it???? Guess I need to re-read again. I'm a newbie so have no idea.

    JJ
    We recommend borax to raise pH all by itself. Baking soda is what we recommend to raise TA.

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    Re: Pool Frog to BBB early in the season!!

    If you've only used the frog for a month I wouldn't be too concerned about it. It probably hasn't added enough metals in the water to be a problem. You can have the pool store test for iron and copper just for peace of mind.

    Since you already have the following chems you might as well get some use out of them. See comments imbedded.
    Poolife ph minus: Sodium Bisulfate 92% Adds sulfates but it's not bad to use.
    Poolife ph plus: Sodium Carbonate 98% Also known as washing soda or soda ash in the Pool Calc
    Poolife Stabilizer and Conditioner: Cyanuric Acid 96% You can use this to bring your CYA up a bit when needed
    Poolife Algaecheck Algaecide Post the ingredients of this, but I'm gonna say that you'll never use it.
    Poolife Natural Clarifier Keep it but see algaecide above
    SpringPill garbage! According to the msds it's lemon scented water.
    All your numbers look good except TA and it's a little low. However, you'll find by reading here that pool store numbers can be very wrong. You really do need you own good test kit.
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    Re: Pool Frog to BBB early in the season!!

    I appreciate all the response! I am ordering a test kit today. Im guessing Ill have more questions in the future but Im great for now. Thanks again

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