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    The poolcleaner questions

    Can I run the poolcleaner pressure model off a 3/4 return or is that a no go? I have a jacuzzi attached to the pool with a return that powers the waterfall, thats an inch to 1 1/2 inches, could I run it off of that and just have the hose hang over the waterfall?

    My other option is the suction cleaner but I don't have a suction port, so then my skimmer is inoperable, how do people deal with that? do you just disconnect it after it finishes cleaning?

    i read hayward has an auto vac switch thats expensive, is that the only option?
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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    You can just plug a suction side vacuum in when needed, and unplug it and remove it from the pool when not in use. In general your not going to want it in the water when the pool is in use anyway, so plug it in, let it do its job, when the pool is clean unplug and the let skimmer, skim.

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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    The manual for the poolcleaner pressure side says "no 3/4 restrictions" and needs around 25gpm to work properly - so you may be SOL on the pressure side model.

    I previously had a suction-side model plugged into one of the 2 skimmers, then added a 'pooldevil' skimmer to make sure the pool got enough skimming. Worked very well.

    With both vacs, I've sledom bothered taking the vacuum out of the pool.
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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    Quote Originally Posted by acroy
    The manual for the poolcleaner pressure side says "no 3/4 restrictions" and needs around 25gpm to work properly - so you may be SOL on the pressure side model.

    I previously had a suction-side model plugged into one of the 2 skimmers, then added a 'pooldevil' skimmer to make sure the pool got enough skimming. Worked very well.

    With both vacs, I've sledom bothered taking the vacuum out of the pool.
    yea, I saw the pool devil, but thats another thing sticking out of my return, so not sure I like that route.

    I have a larger return out of the jacuzzi, I think it would probably work on that. just really don't like using my filter, I prefer using external bags.

    I know you can get an inline canister with a bag, but none of those seem to have filter bags, just mesh bags.
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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    Inline canister would be a good solution - it'll catch the big stuff, let your cartridge catch the fines.
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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    Quote Originally Posted by acroy
    Inline canister would be a good solution - it'll catch the big stuff, let your cartridge catch the fines.
    is there a canister that will catch the fines as well, the people who plumbed my pool did such a great job that if the filter gets slightly dirty, the jacuzzi doesn't work. usually I end up taking the filter out so i can use the jets.
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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    I have the same problem. I want to replace my old Ray Vac which is no longer doing its job. After reading reviews on this site, I was ready to order The Pool Cleaner. I downloaded the manual and read the plumbing requirements, went down to mt pool and s***, there is a 3/4 outlet. Another problem is if I want to use a suction side model the skimmers are on the end of the pool which is 41 feet. The return for the cleaner is in the middle. This is very frustrating.

    I have 4 returns including the cleaner. Filter is rated at 144 gpm. Should I have the necessary volume then 144/4? Or is that a maximum volume?
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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    Quote Originally Posted by mrhappye
    I have the same problem. I want to replace my old Ray Vac which is no longer doing its job. After reading reviews on this site, I was ready to order The Pool Cleaner. I downloaded the manual and read the plumbing requirements, went down to mt pool and s***, there is a 3/4 outlet. Another problem is if I want to use a suction side model the skimmers are on the end of the pool which is 41 feet. The return for the cleaner is in the middle. This is very frustrating.

    I have 4 returns including the cleaner. Filter is rated at 144 gpm. Should I have the necessary volume then 144/4? Or is that a maximum volume?
    I have a customer with a similar problem - 1.5" from the pad to the wall, and at the wall they put in a 3/4" threaded fitting for the RayVac (GRRRRR). I had to get the 3/4" to 1.5" adapter (Polaris makes one) - and his PoolCleaner 4WPS works great. I love it.

    However, standard disclaimer applies, and your mileage may vary...
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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    Quote Originally Posted by taekwondodo
    Quote Originally Posted by mrhappye
    I have the same problem. I want to replace my old Ray Vac which is no longer doing its job. After reading reviews on this site, I was ready to order The Pool Cleaner. I downloaded the manual and read the plumbing requirements, went down to mt pool and s***, there is a 3/4 outlet. Another problem is if I want to use a suction side model the skimmers are on the end of the pool which is 41 feet. The return for the cleaner is in the middle. This is very frustrating.

    I have 4 returns including the cleaner. Filter is rated at 144 gpm. Should I have the necessary volume then 144/4? Or is that a maximum volume?
    I have a customer with a similar problem - 1.5" from the pad to the wall, and at the wall they put in a 3/4" threaded fitting for the RayVac (GRRRRR). I had to get the 3/4" to 1.5" adapter (Polaris makes one) - and his PoolCleaner 4WPS works great. I love it.

    However, standard disclaimer applies, and your mileage may vary...

    Thanks for the reply. I hooked up a short segment of hose to the pool cleaner return and measured the output. I have approximately 13 gpm at 15psi at the Jandy Energy Bowl since the pressure release valve on The Pool Cleaner is 15psi. The requirement is 25 gpm. That seems like an awful lot. I would have to have to divert all the water to that line. Am I SOL?
    35K gallon plaster IGP, free form, spa with spill-over; Sta-Rite 2HP pump; KDI American 48sq.ft., 144GPM DE filter; Pentair MiniMax heater; pressure side The PoolCleaner; Circupool RJ45

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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    If I divert more water to the pool cleaner line, the Jandy Energy Bowl pressure gauge reading will go over 15psi. Perhaps the pressure will drop off again at the 1.5" diameter of the adapter, allowing a greater volume without exceeding the 15psi before the cleaner release valve. Your customer should have had the same problem, I don't think the physics would be any different. Do you know what the Jandy Energy Bowl pressure gauge reading is at your customer's pool? I want to make sure this would work before ordering the TPC, disclaimer withstanding.
    35K gallon plaster IGP, free form, spa with spill-over; Sta-Rite 2HP pump; KDI American 48sq.ft., 144GPM DE filter; Pentair MiniMax heater; pressure side The PoolCleaner; Circupool RJ45

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    Re: The poolcleaner questions

    I ripped out the JEF, and re-plumbed the cleaner return on the "south" (return) side of the filter. IMHO, the JEF is a waste of money - half your water bypasses your filter, causing you to run your pump 2-3x longer in order to get the same effective filtration. Anyways, going over 15PSI isn't going to hurt you on the JEF, all it is going to do is bypass more water from being filtered.

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