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    Lighting replacement

    Yet another rebuilding question
    Apparently, I have a 12v sunlight pool light that is fastened with a pool ring; no actual niche is present as far as we can tell. Looking at the available lighting options, I am thinking of using an LED based replacement setup; no colors, not worth it to me. Question is, stay with 12v (and additional transformer cost) or move to 120v with a small bit of rewire? I will probably have to replace the junction box regardless.

    Any experience on advantage/disadvantage of either?
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    Re: Lighting replacement

    120v is not a minor rewire, the electrical code for 120v pool lights has many more requirements than it does for 12v lights.
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    Re: Lighting replacement

    How hard can it be (He types with fingers in cheek)?
    "electrical code for 120v pool lights" from junction to the lamp, or panel to junction?

    At the moment, I have breaker protected line voltage to (apparently) a transformer, with #18 through conduit to the junction. Seems that at worst I'd be pulling a new 3 wire feed; I believe the light is switched prior to the step down, but obviously I'd have to confirm.

    The 12v lamps seem to run a few dollars more, and I'll probably need a new transformer (~$100). Of course the cost is much less than an ambulance ride
    34 x 19 salt water free form. 7.5" inside diameter raised spa. 24" raised beam in back. 3 moss rock waterfalls off raised beam and moss rock waterfall out of the spa. (2) Intelliflo VF pumps, 420 Cartridge Filter, 400 BTU Pentair low nox heater. 2.5" suction and 2" returns throughout.

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    Re: Lighting replacement

    The main requirements for 120v lights that don't apply to 12v lights are a light niche specifically approved for use with 120v lights and a separate connection to the bonding system. There are some other details that vary a little from place to place, but those are the main issues.
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    Re: Lighting replacement

    Hmm... I don't think there is a niche
    The existing light was sunlight bulb/fixture in an ~ 11" light ring, with thumbscrews holding it in an ~ 9.5" opening. Without draining, is there some way to tell for certain? At this point, the pool is a tad green to see much of anything.
    34 x 19 salt water free form. 7.5" inside diameter raised spa. 24" raised beam in back. 3 moss rock waterfalls off raised beam and moss rock waterfall out of the spa. (2) Intelliflo VF pumps, 420 Cartridge Filter, 400 BTU Pentair low nox heater. 2.5" suction and 2" returns throughout.

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    Re: Lighting replacement

    The opening in the wall is the niche. Unless the 12v light is a retrofit for an old 120v light, it is unlikely that the niche is a 120v niche.
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    Re: Lighting replacement

    Again, hmm...
    I thought niches were the cup and frame the light attached to. It is unlikely the light is anything but original. In any event, sounds like 12v is the safest way to go at this point, especially if I want to avoid a lot more effort.

    It gets expensive asking questions here
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    Re: Lighting replacement

    As a followup: My local electrician friend was not amused to hear my thoughts; something about crispy swimmers. Looks like I'll be doing the 12v shuffle
    34 x 19 salt water free form. 7.5" inside diameter raised spa. 24" raised beam in back. 3 moss rock waterfalls off raised beam and moss rock waterfall out of the spa. (2) Intelliflo VF pumps, 420 Cartridge Filter, 400 BTU Pentair low nox heater. 2.5" suction and 2" returns throughout.

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