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    Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    First test with the Taylor FAS-DPD K-2006.

    A little background first:

    - I’ve been reading as much as I can from TFP for less than 2 weeks now – plus most of the Pool School and the entire instruction manual that came with the test kit. I have a Civil Engineering background and I took a lot of physics, chemistry and calculus in college – a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. That just means I can read. I still remember those dang lab reports … ACK !! … waxing nostalgic here … but I digress … back on topic …
    - I began the Algae War 5 days ago – sorry – I don’t have a “before” pic but it looked a lot like RaysFan’s (new guy) – nasty rich green swamp.
    - I’ve been using a “soon to expire” paper test strip since the war began – with surprisingly similar results as the K-2006. I’m impressed. Still couldn’t get a consistent pH number.
    - I’m much more impressed with the FAS-DPD K-2006 test kit! (My wife keeps telling me that I’m “ate up” ... whatever…).

    OK – Test results as follows:

    FC 8.0
    pH 7.4
    TA 85-90 Too close to call
    CH 230
    CYA 33
    Water Temp 78F (1930 hrs CDT)

    Actions taken:

    - Since we’re experiencing unsettled weather here in the FL panhandle – it’s been very windy and we’re expecting rain – I expect additional contaminants – leaves, sticks, dirt, sand, etc. to find its way into the pool tonight. Thus – the suspended organic matter most likely will increase and feed the algae monster. So – I added an additional 1.3± gal. of 10% chlorine in order to raise the shock level to 15. Yes – I used the Pool Calculator! This was done after sundown. I was trying to maintain at least a 10 ppm shock level with the paper test strips – that was the test strip's limit - but I admit I was intentionally over chlorinating. After all – the article on killing algae said “Hit it Hard” – well – I did … and I’m continuing to do so. Shock and Awe !!
    - I just started using the 10% chlorine since the 6% Wal-Mart bleach in 1.4 gal. jugs cost $2.55± ($1.82/gal) but the Ace Hardware has 10% for $1.90/gal. – better deal in my mind.
    - The pump has been running 24/7 for 10 days now.
    - I’ve been backwashing and brushing every day this week – twice a day last weekend when I was home (I hate it when work gets in the way of my pool!).
    - I had a Trichlor puck floating about, but I didn’t know what the CYA was, so I pulled it out for a few days so as not to unduly increase it. Apparently it didn’t. I’ve returned it to the pool.
    - Water has gone from the nice pretty green to an opaque aqua – very nice ! Still not crystal clear. I suspect there’s a lot of dead algae floating around.
    - Additional info – filter sand needs to be cleaned and/or replaced in a bad way. The pressure is up around 50 PSI … that’s the way I found it when I moved in six months ago. That’s the next project on the list. I’ve been backwashing every week religiously.

    I’ve probably left something out of this babble – and my twisted logic has surely pointed me in some odd direction which will lead me back to the swamp (Go Gators! Oops – wrong forum). I suspect you-all will point out whatever I missed or didn’t take into consideration. After all – this is my third pool but the first one where I’ve had to DIY (see my intro post for my whine).

    I was at a loss trying to figure out how to make the green water go away. Thanks to Richard, Ted, Jason, et al and everyone else who’ve created and contribute to this wonderful community – I now know how!!! Thanks !!

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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Welcome! Did you test for CC?

    Keep the FC above shock level around the clock if possible and you'll be on your way in no time. Just boost up before work and before bed. I think a green pool is like a puppy - needs tending at lunch and middle of the night.

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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Sounds like you got it down!

    Keep it at shock level and give the filter some time to clear it. Sand filters can be a little slow.

    1.90 for a gal of 10% is a pretty good price!
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Have you checked the guage to see if its broken? Does it return to zero when the pump is off?

    Hang in there, you are doing great!
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsman
    Welcome! Did you test for CC?

    Keep the FC above shock level around the clock if possible and you'll be on your way in no time. Just boost up before work and before bed. I think a green pool is like a puppy - needs tending at lunch and middle of the night.

    Oh, and Geaux Tigers! (oh yeah, wrong forum )

    DOH ! No - I inadvertently skipped that part in my haste to see what the pH was.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Quote Originally Posted by frustratedpoolmom
    Have you checked the guage to see if its broken? Does it return to zero when the pump is off?

    Hang in there, you are doing great!
    Pressure gauge seems to be fine ... it mostly hovers around 50 psi and occasionally when I backwash it'll drop to around 15 psi when I'm setting the valve from filter to backwash - then jump back to 50 psi after I turn it back on.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Quote Originally Posted by Flotsam
    Pressure gauge seems to be fine ... it mostly hovers around 50 psi and occasionally when I backwash it'll drop to around 15 psi when I'm setting the valve from filter to backwash - then jump back to 50 psi after I turn it back on.
    Your gauge is probably bad.

    [edit] Your pump could not get to 50 psi. It would be maxed out at 38 psi.[end edit]

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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    When you're setting the valve from filter to backwash you're turning the pump off, right? If so then your gauge should read zero and if it doesn't, it's definitely bad.

    If you're not turning the pump off you really should be. You'll possibly ruin the valve seals if you don't.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Rambler
    When you're setting the valve from filter to backwash you're turning the pump off, right? If so then your gauge should read zero and if it doesn't, it's definitely bad.

    If you're not turning the pump off you really should be. You'll possibly ruin the valve seals if you don't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flotsam
    ... after I turn it back on.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Your pump could not get to 50 psi. It would be maxed out at 38 psi. You need a new gauge.

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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Quote Originally Posted by Flotsam
    ... after I turn it back on.
    I read that but just wanted to make sure you meant the pump and not the valve.

    So, you turn the pump off and the gauge goes to 15 = new gauge time!
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Rambler
    Quote Originally Posted by Flotsam
    ... after I turn it back on.
    I read that but just wanted to make sure you meant the pump and not the valve.

    So, you turn the pump off and the gauge goes to 15 = new gauge time!
    Yeah - but it doesn't always do that - which had me confused (which isn't hard to do).

    I understand that the pressure in the filter will rise if it's extremely dirty - correct?. I have a feeling that the filter sand hasn't been cleaned or replaced since it was installed. I read that the filter pressure shouldn't be much higher than 30± psi ... so I've been concerned with the 50+ reading.

    Another oddity is the pipe tape around the gauge threads looks fairly new ... nice and clean (white) - as if recently replaced.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    I just replaced (yesterday) a 22 year old sand filter with the original sand in place. It ran 15 psi clean, I'd flush it when it got to 25. New filter is running 18psi clean. It's a different filter than yours, but should still be a decent reference.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    It is fairly common for a pressure gauge to fail after only a year or two. They don't cost much and they don't last long.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    I agree...50 PSI is a bad reading, the filter would not last long at that pressure. I also start out at 16psi when clean and backwash at 24psi or so.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    OK !! Thanks everyone !

    Looks like it's pressure gauge time this weekend.

    In order to save me some time - is this something I need to get from the filter manufacturer or is this a fairly common item that the pool store would carry?

    I need to run to a meeting so I'll research it later tonight.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    It's a generic item. You can take your existing one with you if you are concerned or just want to make sure.
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    I ordered mine off ebay, but the pool store will have them, as well as the big box stores.
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    Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006**UPDA

    Second Test results as follows:

    FC 8.4
    CC 1.0
    pH 7.4
    TA 85
    CH 240
    CYA 39
    Water Temp 76F (1945 hrs CDT)

    Added additional 145 oz. of 10% chlorine to bring to shock level of 15 ppm.

    I'm still trying to keep a high FC level to make sure ALL of the algae is killed. I ran the CC test tonight as well.

    Still haven't had a chance to look into a new filter pressure gauge ... shouldn't be an issue. I'll post pressure readings - hopefully correct ones - after the new gauge is installed.

    I'm REALLY liking the new Taylor FAS-DPD K-2006 kit!

    Thanks to all who chimed in!! I still think the filter sand is dirtier than heck and needs to be replaced - but the new pressure gauge will tell me the severity.

    Thanks again !!!
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    Re: Fighting the Swamp - First test with the Taylor K-2006

    I think you'll be suprised how well everything does once it's all cleaned up. I seriously doubt that anything's wrong with your sand other than the algae. Just keep at that shocking till it's clear.
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