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    Confused about my concrete repair options *Pictures added*

    Hello everyone. This has probably been discussed before, but at the risk of someone saying "use the search function" I'll post my question.

    I have a pool from the mid 70's that has been neglected over the years. I am taking better care of it than I believe anyone ever has. The problem is that I'm fighting an unwinnable battle in the beautification category. Firstly, I don't have gobs of money to throw at it, or I wouldn't be here. But I would like to do something to make this pool a little more appealing. It isn't horrific, but certainly dated. It's got a plaster inner surface that was re-done in 2005, so I'm told. I personally think someone cheaped out on it because the plaster is all uneven down at the deep end. Not bubbled up or ruined, just a bunch of little peaks and valleys. Someday I'm sure I'll get that redone in some of that pebbletech/sheen stuff but I think that's for later. Right now I'm more worried about the area AROUND the pool.

    The concrete around the pool is old, not terribly cracked, but not well leveled. There are some puddling spots up against the house and in one open area behind the pool. It's sort of an orangish-reddish-brownish color. No idea what it looked like new. It has that "salt thrown" texture to it. I'd like to get it tuned up a bit.

    I've spent hours looking at websites and youtube videos that show different remodeling options, but most of those will cost a small fortune. I'd really like to avoid breaking out the concrete and so I've researched some ways to go about doing that.

    1. Tile over concrete. I've laid so much tile in my life I know I could do it myself. BUT, with the current puddling of water issues would it be a good idea. I guess I'd need to sort that out first.

    2. Pavers over concrete. There are companys that specialize in exactly this type of thing. Special thin pavers that can be installed directly over your existing slab. Puddling problem would still exist however.

    3. Concrete staining. BUT wouldn't that "salt thrown" texture remain? My parents had a stained concrete floor for a few years, but covered it with tile (that I laid) because it's surface glaze became damaged and a contractor said that there was no way to repair it without re-doing the whole floor.

    4. Concrete re-surfacing. I don't really understand this option because it just seems like staining to me based on the images I've looked at. There must be something different about it that I'm missing though.

    If anyone has any experience with any of this, could you please help me out. I can do tons of things on my own, I'd love to be able to help this pool without paying some contractor to do what I know I can do. I'm a bit OCD and can pay attention to the smallest of details on jobs like this. I just don't have the experience to know which option suits my needs and price range best. I haven't taken measurements yet, but I can if that is needed for you guys to help me. It seems like a lot of **** concrete to me. It isn't some huge mansion pool, but there is a lot of decking around it. It's a weird yard!
    18,000 Gallons plaster, in ground. Pentair quad cartridge filter system charged w/DE. Built in the early 70's. Location: Bakersfield California. Summer temps from early May to late September, up into the 100'sF. Very low shade over pool, not until LATE evening. Palm tree drops pods from neighbors yard.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options

    Can you post any pictures of the concrete? Would you be tiling up to the pool coping? Have you tried powerwashing the concrete?
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    I'll take picutres tomorrow. I don't have anything that I can think of. I don't have any coping by the true sense of the word, if I understand it correctly. What I have is a cantilevered concrete edge.....I think. The slabs themselves ARE the coping. Goes straight out over the water and over the tile. Which also needs replacement BTW. Old 70's boring baby blue color. Yuck.
    18,000 Gallons plaster, in ground. Pentair quad cartridge filter system charged w/DE. Built in the early 70's. Location: Bakersfield California. Summer temps from early May to late September, up into the 100'sF. Very low shade over pool, not until LATE evening. Palm tree drops pods from neighbors yard.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options

    Tiling could be your cheapest option if the puddling area aren't so deep that you can't sort out the levels using thicker tile adhesive or pre-glue it using the knotched spreader then a smooth spreader once it's dried. A 6 foot+ level is your friend here. I'd be sure to choose a tile that's a bit grippy as tiles can be treacherous around pools.
    Self built 5500 gallon bare concrete (temporarily) pool with limestone coping, Pentair Swimmey 1/2 HP pump, Triton sand filter with DE, Simpool peristaltic muriatic acid pump with pH sensor and Monarch SWG. Home made solar heater with Pentair Compool control panel and 3 way valve. 1 skimmer, 1 main drain, 2 returns, 2" plumbing, Hayward auto fill valve.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options

    Tiling a slab, outdoors will likely present problems. The frequent temp changes and differences can crack or pop tiles. Textured tiles may also present a porous surface that is difficult to keep clean looking. Glazed tile may become slippery.

    Pavers, even thin ones, will present a look around the pool that just looks off "due" to the added height when set on a canter levered deck.

    The idea of resurfacing, IMHO, will present the best option. Kool Deck and similar spray surface products present a softer feel on the deck, dissipates heat amazingly well. There are also other cementatious products that can present an enormous variety of colors textures and patterns. Most of these can, over time get chips but can be fixed and shortly after the repair, blend in well.

    Don't go with the lowest bidder. As in most cases, it usually means they are skipping prep work to same on costs or they lack the experience needed. The results may not show for a year but by then, it's too late.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options

    I've tiled maybe 50 decks with either ceramic tiles or <=1" pavers and having them crack or pop is never an issue. Puddling can be in tricky situations. Saying that, I'm in Europe where tiles are cheap and there is a wealth of experience, whereas specialist concrete surfaces etc are a rarity.
    Self built 5500 gallon bare concrete (temporarily) pool with limestone coping, Pentair Swimmey 1/2 HP pump, Triton sand filter with DE, Simpool peristaltic muriatic acid pump with pH sensor and Monarch SWG. Home made solar heater with Pentair Compool control panel and 3 way valve. 1 skimmer, 1 main drain, 2 returns, 2" plumbing, Hayward auto fill valve.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options

    OK, as promised here are some shots. It's a cloudy day and so you don't get a sense of the true color of the concrete IMO. I added a shot of some other, later poured concrete for contrast purposes.

    Contrast pic.



    Area that puddles up by the house/chimney. Drainage ditch is filled w/rocks. I want this gone somehow. It's totally lame.



    Filter area.



    A total shot down the board. Don't ask why it says RAW. Kids from previous owner I guess. The building in the back ground used to be a shop, but I've converted it over to a gym where me and my brothers workout. It's ugly but for now it's staying.



    Closer view over by the gym and palm trees. This area puddles big time, moreso than the are by the house/chimney. Rain from DAYS ago is still standing. THe concrete is angled toward the pool by the fence, but then away from the pool near the pool edge, creating the low spot.



    The edge.



    The lame colored concrete goes into the back yard.



    Rust spots on steps.

    18,000 Gallons plaster, in ground. Pentair quad cartridge filter system charged w/DE. Built in the early 70's. Location: Bakersfield California. Summer temps from early May to late September, up into the 100'sF. Very low shade over pool, not until LATE evening. Palm tree drops pods from neighbors yard.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options *Pictures adde

    Some vitamin C tabs in a sock over the rust stains will make quick work of those. The deck appears due for a new coat of spray deck coating. Up here in NJ, that usually mean a product called Kool Deck.

    You won't have to rip out the old deck. After a proper prep wash, they'll spray on the the new coating and it will look new again after it dries and hardens for a lot less than a new concrete pour. Yes, it looks like it has a salted texture. It'll look great and not get as hot an other deck surface types when done.

    Chips can happen but can also be patched. They will blend in in time.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options *Pictures adde

    I've looked into so much stuff this past 24 hours. From kool deck, to Sundeck, to stamped concrete overlay, to stenciled concrete (ugly to me). Is any of that DIY stuff or does it have to be hired out. I've watched some instructional videos that show how to skim coat your concrete with a nice thin layer and then texture stamping, staining etc. I can do that stuff, doesn't take someone with a contractor license to do this stuff. I really like what sundeck has to offer, but there are no vendors near where I live. And it would probably cost a fortune anyway.

    Does anyone have any pictures that would show a good before and after shot of this kool deck stuff? Google is kind of failing me. There are lots of shots of kool deck surfaces, but no "before" shots. Leading me to believe that the shots I'm seeing are from new installs anyway. From what I can tell it's just a spray on texture over my existing concrete right? I've seen that look before and it seems kind of dated if I'm thinking of the right thing. I don't really want stucco looking concrete. I'd love the paver look, but like someone up above said, pavers won't work with cantelevered concreted edges. What a bummer that the house I buy has THAT instead of a true coping look.
    18,000 Gallons plaster, in ground. Pentair quad cartridge filter system charged w/DE. Built in the early 70's. Location: Bakersfield California. Summer temps from early May to late September, up into the 100'sF. Very low shade over pool, not until LATE evening. Palm tree drops pods from neighbors yard.

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    There are a couple of companies that make "renovation pavers" for this deck. I have seen them formed in one piece that fit over the cantelever and also a version where they notched and glued two pieces together to cover the cantelever. Its my understanding the rest of the pavers can be set in a very thin layer of sand or mortared in place. We have never used them so I can't vouch for them.

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    renovxpt- I've googled your term "renovation pavers" in combination with several other phrases but I can't come up with anything that I see is made for this specific purpose. Do you have any links or recommendations on where to go to get this stuff? Ultimately I think the idea of stone pavers is the best look for our area. I'd love to do it, and I know I can. I just need to solve the cantilevered edge/paver over it problem. Of course the added height would look silly if this couldn't be dealt with. Pavers are out as an option if this can't be compensated for.
    18,000 Gallons plaster, in ground. Pentair quad cartridge filter system charged w/DE. Built in the early 70's. Location: Bakersfield California. Summer temps from early May to late September, up into the 100'sF. Very low shade over pool, not until LATE evening. Palm tree drops pods from neighbors yard.

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    http://www.thinpavers.com/products.asp

    scroll to the bottom of the page

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    NICE! I ran into that last night during my research. That very page with those very images. But since it didn't specifically list those as for use over concrete edges I figured they were just regular edges for normal projects. SO.....do you think that will work in my situation? I read that the ones laid over the pool edge should be cemented down in some way, but the others can just be laid down as long as they are locked into place at the backside. Am I understanding this correctly?
    18,000 Gallons plaster, in ground. Pentair quad cartridge filter system charged w/DE. Built in the early 70's. Location: Bakersfield California. Summer temps from early May to late September, up into the 100'sF. Very low shade over pool, not until LATE evening. Palm tree drops pods from neighbors yard.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options *Pictures adde

    The extended coping is designed for what you have. After mortaring down the coping and back edge, you spread about a 1/4 inch of sand by putting a couple of screws in the back of a push broom. It sounds really easy.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options *Pictures adde

    I contacted C&D pavers for a quote and further details. If I do this I will be documenting every step of the way and will post my images here so others can learn from my experience. I know I can do this, even though they recommend you use one of their "installers". It might take me more time than it would them, but this isn't rocket science and I've laid plenty of tile to understand joints, mortar, leveling the surface etc.
    18,000 Gallons plaster, in ground. Pentair quad cartridge filter system charged w/DE. Built in the early 70's. Location: Bakersfield California. Summer temps from early May to late September, up into the 100'sF. Very low shade over pool, not until LATE evening. Palm tree drops pods from neighbors yard.

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    Re: Confused about my concrete repair options *Pictures adde

    We're also looking for options of what to do with our deck. It isn't that old (5 years), but the kool deck/sun deck coating hasn't held up well at all. It's chipped, and constantly filthy. The only other option our pool company has come up with involves replacing the coping and tile. I'm OK with the coping, but since the tile is only 3 years old I have a major problem with ripping it out, especially since I'm afraid that would also affect the PebbleTec!

    So...I was all ready to have our pool company come out and apply a new coating of the kool deck (in a darker color! ) when I discovered a company in Houston called Allied Outdoor Solutions that uses a product called CarveStone. It's hand applied instead of sprayed on, and lasts indefinitely. It's more expensive than kool deck, but if we're not having to spend $2K+ every few years to get it redone it might be worth it. They are located fairly close to our home, so we're going to drive over to the showroom today to see the product in person. They trowel on the product over the existing deck/coping, and then hand carve "stones" in your choice of pattern and color. I'm hopeful that this will prove to be the solution we're looking for.
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