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    Filter Issues

    Hello,

    I have recently purchased a home with a 30,000 gal gunite pool with attached spa. I have never owned a pool before and am trying to trouble shoot a couple of problems that I think are interconnected.

    1)DE flows back into the pool when the filter shuts off. (American Titan 536090)
    2)Water flows out of the spa to equalize with the pool's water level when the filter shuts off.

    Thus far, I have cleaned the filter and checked all the grids and replaced the check valve that was visible. The previous owners disabled the backwash, so that's gone and I'm not sure what to do about that. Should there be a check valve or flapper at the bottom of the DE filter to prevent backflow? I don't see anything down there and it seems reasonable that this could be the problem. I appreciate your comments.

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    30,000 gal inground pool with attached waterfall spa.
    60 sq ft American Titan (Pentair) DE filter with no backwash.
    Not sure about the pump.

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    Re: Filter Issues

    Welcome to TFP.

    Is there air in the pump basket when the pump is running? It sounds like the filter is getting air in it and it's back pressuring the lines when the pump shuts off.
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    Re: Filter Issues

    Thank you for the welcome. I don't think that air is getting into the filter. The couple of times that I've gotten air into the filter (vacuuming, etc.) I've been able to hear it, and therefore go prime the pump. I don't notice any sounds or other indicators that there is air in the pump.
    30,000 gal inground pool with attached waterfall spa.
    60 sq ft American Titan (Pentair) DE filter with no backwash.
    Not sure about the pump.

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    Re: Filter Issues

    Try opening the air bleed valve on the filter while the pump is running to make sure there's not any air in it.
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    Re: Filter Issues

    I checked the air bleed valve, and water comes out immediately.
    30,000 gal inground pool with attached waterfall spa.
    60 sq ft American Titan (Pentair) DE filter with no backwash.
    Not sure about the pump.

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    Re: Filter Issues

    Well I'm out of ideas. Maybe a check valve somewhere.
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    Re: Filter Issues

    well, I think I did figure one thing out. My filter said to put (12) 1lb coffee cans of De into the filter. I didn't have a coffee can so I weighed out 12lbs of DE. I finally found a document that says that (1) 1lb coffee can holds 2lbs of DE. So, I've put twice the DE needed into the filter. I plan to vacuum the pool, clean out the filter and put in 6lbs of DE. What do you think?
    30,000 gal inground pool with attached waterfall spa.
    60 sq ft American Titan (Pentair) DE filter with no backwash.
    Not sure about the pump.

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    Re: Filter Issues

    If you indeed put twice as much DE as called for then you've figured out the problem. At least part of it.
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    Re: Filter Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by calokieme
    well, I think I did figure one thing out. My filter said to put (12) 1lb coffee cans of De into the filter. I didn't have a coffee can so I weighed out 12lbs of DE. I finally found a document that says that (1) 1lb coffee can holds 2lbs of DE. So, I've put twice the DE needed into the filter. I plan to vacuum the pool, clean out the filter and put in 6lbs of DE. What do you think?
    Double check my logic but I think you have half the DE. If it wants twelve 1 lb cans of DE and a can holds 2 lbs DE, then the filter should have 24 lbs of DE (12x2). Without the pdf and instructions it's hard to say.
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    Re: Filter Issues

    LOL, that would be true. I read it right, but restated it incorrectly. 1 coffee can equals 1/2 lb of DE. I have a 60 sq ft filter, so I need 6lbs of DE. I'm also going install a check valve in the line. I'll replace the backwash at a later time.
    30,000 gal inground pool with attached waterfall spa.
    60 sq ft American Titan (Pentair) DE filter with no backwash.
    Not sure about the pump.

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    Re: Filter Issues

    Since the check valve I want to install is a temporary fix, is there any reason I couldn't use just a regular check valve from the hardware store? I can't see paying $40-50 for a temporary solution.
    30,000 gal inground pool with attached waterfall spa.
    60 sq ft American Titan (Pentair) DE filter with no backwash.
    Not sure about the pump.

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    Re: Filter Issues

    You can use a regular PVC check valve.
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