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    Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    I bought this today. It doesn't have any active ingredient %. Nor any good instructions other than to add 1 pint per a 10,000 gallon pool.

    How do I use the Pool Calculator with this product?

    It is made by Sunny Side Corp. and the web site is the same with a dot com. I went to that site and could not find much info other than it is less caustic??.

    Anyone know what this is, how much to use, recommend it or not use it at all?

    I think I made a mistake!

    Thanks in advance

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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Snake oil.

    It's marketed as Muriatic Acid replacement, yet the MSDS says it's 19.81% HCl......It's just weak Muriatic Acid.....

    Plus some unspecified Ethoxylated Amines - whatever they are, Urea, and Citric Acid. Urea is Nitrogen-rich, so it will feed algae. And it gives off ammonia in the presence of water. Ammonia and Chlorine do not play well together.

    I wouldn't put it in my pool. If you can't return it, might be useful for cleaning concrete or getting rid of scaling in the shower or toilet bowl.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Quote Originally Posted by bunedockmama
    I went to that site and could not find much info other than it is less caustic??.
    I love how they put a spin on everything! Of course it's less caustic, it's acid! What could be less caustic than that?
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    I'm amazed that they market it for pools when it contains amines and urea, the very things you want to avoid in your pool water! Urea in particular comes from urine, and we all know that can't be good! (An aside: as a child, I remember a sign at a public pool that stated, "We don't swim in your toilet, please don't pee in our pool!" )

    In any event, DO NOT put that product in your pool - if the store won't take it back, maybe you can save it for cleaning concrete some day.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Yes, as DWS said, do not put it in your pool. It may be fine for your sidewalk or driveway, but you shouldn't use such a product in your pool.

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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Thank you all so much. This is exactly why I posted, because I was afraid to put it in the pool.

    You people are terrific! So glad I asked before adding it.

    Will just use it in the toilet.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    ...just don't mix it with chlorine bleach or other cleaning products.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Quote Originally Posted by DWSPool
    ...just don't mix it with chlorine bleach or other cleaning products.
    Thanks for adding that. I knew not to, but someone else reading this thread may not be aware of it.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    I can understand why you would want to look for something other than muriatic acid to use to lower pH. It is nasty stuff; while some people worry about handling liquid chlorine bleach, I think handling muriatic acid is more dangerous. There are also dry acid powders one can use to lower pH. If you haven't already done so, see the Pool Chemicals section of Pool School on this site on the different options.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Muriatic acid is preferred over dry acid because the dry acid adds sulphur.

    My preferred method to adding muriatic acid is to fill a 5 gallon pail about 3/4 full of water and add the acid to that. This way you can add the acid quickly (to the bucket) instead of pouring slowly (to the pool) thereby minimizing exposure to the fumes.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Quote Originally Posted by svenpup
    Muriatic acid is preferred over dry acid because the dry acid adds sulphur.

    My preferred method to adding muriatic acid is to fill a 5 gallon pail about 3/4 full of water and add the acid to that. This way you can add the acid quickly (to the bucket) instead of pouring slowly (to the pool) thereby minimizing exposure to the fumes.
    I like that idea, will do that when I get the correct acid.

    Did I also read somewhere at TFP, to NOT pour the water to the acid, only add the acid to the water?
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Quote Originally Posted by bunedockmama
    ...Did I also read somewhere at TFP, to NOT pour the water to the acid, only add the acid to the water?
    Yes! Always add acid to water. Never add water to acid.
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Hmm, wonder why they called it Green Envy??? Maybe they know it will feed algae?
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Here's a memory prompter: think of A & W root beer, a good thing! - A in W - Acid in Water (not water in acid)
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    Re: Green Envy Muriatic Replacement?

    Bunedockmama, one rule you should follow is to never purchase any product for your pool that does not list the ingredients. You will avoid snake oil, unnecessary expensive products, and products that are harmful to your pool. By knowing the ingredients if the product is helpful you can do price comparisons. This leads to following the BBB method. You purchase baking soda instead of alkalinity increaser and borax instead of pool optimizer. You save money!
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