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    About to add borates. Question first.

    I have successfully lowered my TA from 130 to now between 70-80. I will get it squarely to 70 in the next couple of days and want to add borates. My CYA is high enough now (about 70) that I am running the SWG less so the constant pH rises are likely to be slower, esp with the TA down more.

    From what I have learned about borates, they are a buffer and therefore will increase the amount of acid needed to drop pH relative to water without borate added to it. I also know that people have varying opinions about their addition but I want to try them out.

    Anything other effects I should be cognizant of *ie making other chemistry more difficult to control) since getting them in is easy but removing them isn't? Trying to measure twice and cut once.

    Thanks

    Evan

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    Re: About to add borates. Question first.

    Quote Originally Posted by shacke
    ...Anything other effects I should be cognizant of *ie making other chemistry more difficult to control)...
    Nope...sounds like you are on the right track. I have had them in all season and its a piece of cake.
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    Re: About to add borates. Question first.

    From what I've read, you will be using the same amount of acid to maintain your pH in a given band -- with borates you add larger quantities, but less frequently, to stay in your pH range.

    I added borates last year (using 20 Mule Team borax and MA) and the pH of my pool now tends to sit right at 7.6 for a long time (4 or 5 weeks) between MA additions. Before adding borates I was adding acid every week or so to keep the pH between 7.4 and 7.8. But I have a vinyl pool with a SWG - not plaster with a SWG - so your pool may act differently.

    Hope that helps,
    Gordon
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    Re: About to add borates. Question first.

    Before borates, I tried to keep my pool between 7.2 and 7.4 and it would creep up to 7.8. With borates, bringing it down to 7.2 is a waste of acid because it won't stay there. Mine settles in about 7.5 and stays put, which is higher than I was accustomed to, but since it doesn't creep up to 7.8, there is no need to get it any lower. If you like to keep a low ph, borates might not be for you.

    The first time I borated my pool, I used Borax and acid. I recently replaced the liner and this time I used boric acid from Duda Diesel. I highly recommend the boric acid. It was quick and easy and I didn't have to mess with acid. The $20 difference in total cost was worth it to me.
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    Re: About to add borates. Question first.

    I have been keeping a level of 30 for a while now and I am putting myself in the camp of those who don't see the benefit. My pH rises are just as fast and as large a swing as before. Every time I turn around it is at 7.8-8.0 after lowering it to 7.4

    I was thinking maybe it is my turbo clean system in the pool bottom - there is always agitation/aeration on the surface. Maybe that and the SWG are too much for the borate buffer. I hesitate raising the borate to 50 in case my troubles get worse. I am going to plenty of acid still - plenty.
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