Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Posts
    4

    Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Hi all,

    I just got my TF-100 kit as recommended by the folks here. Struggling with my pool chemistry all last summer and starting off with trouble getting the algae and cloudiness under control this year indicates I need to change my strategy. Hoping the guidance here and the BBB method will help me turn things around.

    At the moment, I am running the filter/vacuum about 10 hours per night and the pool is blue (after lots of granular chlorine), but a little cloudy.

    I made a mistake and dumped the water for the FC test before testing for CC and TC (chose not to burn another 58 drops to re-run it tonight), but have some preliminary numbers and they don't look good. Not sure which issues to tackle first...

    FC = 29
    CC = ??
    TC = ?? (chlorine test from my cheap kit was off the chart yesterday)
    pH = 7.2
    TA = 600+ ( I stopped adding drops after that)
    CH = 600+ (I stopped adding drops after that)
    CYA = 100+ ( couldn't see the dot well before it hit 100, since it looks like a log scale on the vial I can't say for sure, but I am guessing 200-300)
    Temp = 106 for a high today, about 96 when I tested

    I know these numbers are all pretty bad (except maybe pH, which isn't too far off). I'm hoping the experts here can help me figure out which problem to address first and how.

    Thanks in advance! Looking forward to be coming another TFP/BBB success story!
    15k(?) gallon - 33x16x4.5 feet deep freeform, white plaster, IG - 1HP Challenger pump - PacFab/Pentair cartridge filter - Unicel C-7680 - Baracuda Alpha 2 vacuum, main drain, one skimmer.

  2. Back To Top    #2
    frustratedpoolmom's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    SWSuburban Chicago, IL
    Posts
    11,965

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Hi and welcome

    Where are you located?

    You are going to have to replace much of your water... unless you are in an area where reverse osmosis treatments are available. How's the water table where you are?

    When you do the TA test, wipe the tip of the R-0009 dropper bottle with a damp cloth in between each drop, to eliminate possible static electricity that could be causing it to read higher than it really is.

    So since draining and refilling or R/O are your only two options at this point, that's where you need to start. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
    Helpful links: Pool School; CYA/Chlorine Chart
    24' round AG pool, 52" high, Raypak heater; Waterway 2 spd Pump;
    150 Sq ft. Clearwater Cartridge Filter; Former and DISSATISFIED "Pool Frog" owner
    http://www.PerfectlyClearPoolService.com

  3. Back To Top    #3
    Isaac-1's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    SW Louisiana
    Posts
    6,711

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    There are 2 effective ways to lower CYA, drain and replace or professional reverse osmosis treatment which is available in very few areas. We have a member here that does reverse Osmosis treatment in So Cal.

    Ike
    Indoor 20x40 35,000 gallon vinyl pool with 1.5 HP 2 speed Jandy FloPro pump, Hayward EC75 Perflex DE filter, 11 4x12 Techno-Solis solar panels w/ Aquasolar controller, Aquabot Turbo T Robot Cleaner. Also LMI metering chlorine dispenser pump and HotSpring Jetsetter
    I use and endorse TFtestKits TF-100 from http://tftestkits.net
    ~Remember TFP counts on your donations to keep this site ad free~

  4. Back To Top    #4

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Posts
    4

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Thanks for the fast responses!

    I am in Phoenix, so not sure if RO is an option, but I can investigate. Any tips for the drain and refill (which looks like it may be inevitable)?

    As for the wiping the tip of the R-0009 dropper, I did fail to do that, but will next time. Thanks for explaining the rationale behind that.
    15k(?) gallon - 33x16x4.5 feet deep freeform, white plaster, IG - 1HP Challenger pump - PacFab/Pentair cartridge filter - Unicel C-7680 - Baracuda Alpha 2 vacuum, main drain, one skimmer.

  5. Back To Top    #5
    Richard320's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    San Dimas, CA (LA County)
    Posts
    18,768

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Quote Originally Posted by azeker1
    Thanks for the fast responses!

    I am in Phoenix, so not sure if RO is an option, but I can investigate. Any tips for the drain and refill (which looks like it may be inevitable)?

    As for the wiping the tip of the R-0009 dropper, I did fail to do that, but will next time. Thanks for explaining the rationale behind that.
    Phoenix has R/O available. Simicrintz can give you a name.
    16K freeform gunite with spa; Pentair 4000 DE filter; Century Whisperflow 1 HP; Pentair Minimax heater.
    Troublefree does not mean Maintenancefree. It's like brushing your teeth: You can spend a couple minutes a day and pennies a week or go to the dentist once a year and spend several thousand dollars.
    A pool is like a pet - you have to feed it every day, even the days you don't want to play with it!

  6. Back To Top    #6
    frustratedpoolmom's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    SWSuburban Chicago, IL
    Posts
    11,965

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Good luck and keep us posted. When you are ready to begin balancing, post back and we'll help get u thru.
    Helpful links: Pool School; CYA/Chlorine Chart
    24' round AG pool, 52" high, Raypak heater; Waterway 2 spd Pump;
    150 Sq ft. Clearwater Cartridge Filter; Former and DISSATISFIED "Pool Frog" owner
    http://www.PerfectlyClearPoolService.com

  7. Back To Top    #7

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Posts
    4

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Thanks, everyone!

    Does anyone have a ballpark idea of how much R/O might cost for a 15,000 gallon pool? That volume is just an estimate, as that information did not come with the house when I bought it a year ago (and the company the previous owner had build the pool has long since gone under). Unfortunately, different calculators give me wildly different numbers. I am using the "oblong" calculations, here: http://www.pentairpool.com/pool-owne...c/poolcalc.htm, as that image most closely matches the shape of my pool (mine has a few more curves, but this is pretty close). If anyone has a better formula/calculator, I'd be happy to take a look.
    15k(?) gallon - 33x16x4.5 feet deep freeform, white plaster, IG - 1HP Challenger pump - PacFab/Pentair cartridge filter - Unicel C-7680 - Baracuda Alpha 2 vacuum, main drain, one skimmer.

  8. Back To Top    #8
    Guest

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    The name of the outfit in Phoenix that does the R/O treatment is Calsaway (www.calsaway.com). If you decide to contact them, tell them you saw them on TFP! They offer free estimates, so it should be pretty simple to get accurate information on their process and pricing.

    I saw your numbers last night and was amazed at how high they are Good for you for paying attention and acting to get a handle on this

  9. Back To Top    #9

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Posts
    4

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Thanks, Bruce! I sent them an email, so hopefully I will hear back before too long.

    I could tell something was seriously wrong with my pool chemistry, but the cheapo pool test kit I inherited with the pool and the "advanced" pool store tests (and their staff) weren't much help. Based on the way my pool was behaving, I feared my CYA was out-of-control (and who knew what else), so I ordered the TF-100 to try to really figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, it was as bad as I feared, but at least now, thanks to the kind folks here, I think I'll be able to get things straightened out eventually.

    Once I am back on track, I am going to try the BBB method and see if I can avoid these issues in the future!
    15k(?) gallon - 33x16x4.5 feet deep freeform, white plaster, IG - 1HP Challenger pump - PacFab/Pentair cartridge filter - Unicel C-7680 - Baracuda Alpha 2 vacuum, main drain, one skimmer.

  10. Back To Top    #10
    Guest

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    My pleasure! Please let us know how you make out, and congrats on following your instincts and taking control of your pool

  11. Back To Top    #11

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ
    Posts
    12

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    I'm in Phoenix too and I'm having an R/O treatment done next week by Calsaway. My CYA levels were way off the chart like yours. They have fixed pricing based on the size of your pool and it includes the initial chemicals to bring the treated water up to snuff for chlorine, pH, and CYA. I do intend to ask them what numbers they're shooting for before I let them add anything, especially for the CYA. I guesstimate that it's going to cost me a couple hundred $ more than a drain/refill but I like the idea of not wasting so much water plus it's safer and easier on the pool given the current heat.
    Shasta IGP - ~13,000 gal. - Pebbletec - Spa - Waterfall - Cartridge - Propane - Intellichlor SWG - VS-3050 - Easytouch - fiber optics

  12. Back To Top    #12
    Guest

    Re: Just getting started with the TF100 - Pool needs MAJOR help!

    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyDave
    I'm in Phoenix too and I'm having an R/O treatment done next week by Calsaway. My CYA levels were way off the chart like yours. They have fixed pricing based on the size of your pool and it includes the initial chemicals to bring the treated water up to snuff for chlorine, pH, and CYA. I do intend to ask them what numbers they're shooting for before I let them add anything, especially for the CYA. I guesstimate that it's going to cost me a couple hundred $ more than a drain/refill but I like the idea of not wasting so much water plus it's safer and easier on the pool given the current heat.
    Good for you While they have not done a treatment for me, I know what to expect and what you will be getting back when they are done Not only is all the above true, but you will also be getting a much better water quality in terms of hardness than you could possibly be getting from your water company; something a drain and refill cannot achieve!

    Please let us know how it all turns out

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •