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    Newbie: Arizona DIY Pool Sub Contractors Needed

    Ready to dig! We are re-locating an 8" irrigation line from Roosevelt Water to allow a pool, that's a feet in of itself as the pipe is oval after 30 years in the ground so matching up a new fitting to re-locate is cumbersome but getting done.

    A little help is needed for an in-ground build in Mesa, AZ,

    Does anyone have a list of subs for the following:

    Pool Designer for city and build prints
    Excavators
    Re-Bar Installers
    Shot Crete Company
    Plumber
    Wholesale Equipment House for the pumps filter etc.
    I have the hookup for electrician and slab decking tile work...

    Pool is 14 x 26 depth 3 - 4.5 - 3 w/ Baja Step, sm. Feature
    Design Print 500
    Permit 350
    Excavation 3000
    Plumbing 1500
    ReBar 1100
    Electrical 1200
    Shotcrete 3500
    Tile 500
    Decking 3000
    Equipment 2000
    Pebble Finish 4000
    Water Feature 1500


    Thanks!

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    Re: Newbie: Arizona DIY Pool Sub Contractors Needed

    You're underestimating overall costs by around $10K. I realize you're barely scratching the surface with those depths, but hard costs don't vary that much with a shallow pool over a sport pool (4-5.5-4 water depth). If you can end up getting the pool you've described done for under $35K you will have done extremely well. Your estimate of $22,150 is wishful thinking I'm afraid.

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    Re: Newbie: Arizona DIY Pool Sub Contractors Needed

    Following up on the depths...please be sure to consider those depths carefully. That is very shallow. 4-5-4 is a depth I frequently see people going with that get sports pools here. Most start shallower and then after further consideration and input from TFP, end up making it deeper. I'm 5' 7" and 3' is still well south of my waist.

    Best of luck with your pre-install details and finding contractors.
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    Re: Newbie: Arizona DIY Pool Sub Contractors Needed

    3 4 5 is a standard play pool here in Arizona. Here we go! So I received 2 bids for the pool, one for 28K and one for 32K. I did my research and will do this for just south of 17K, My bids are in and trades scheduled out. Here is how I saved.
    First I researched city permits here and found what was submitted by the other big pool companies Swimming Pools Permits Directory
    Discovering how a simple plan is submitted I then went to floorplanner for free and drafted my own design https://floorplanner.com
    I then submitted my plan to Pool Engineering inc. for $175 vs: the $550 I was quoted from Alan Money Engineering locally. Pool Engineering, Inc., Structural Design of Swimming Pools and Residential Improvement Structures
    I had my engineering plans the next day.
    I then created a spreadsheet of each detail and sent out for bids.

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    I now have firm bids and cash discounts. We plan to dig on Thursday, Plumbing on Saturday, Rebar on Monday, Electric Monday afternoon, Inspection Tuesday, Wednesday Shotcrete, wait 1 week then, Tile line and plaster, cope and fill here up!

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    Irrigated lot so theres that to deal with.

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    Done.

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    Got my prints back over night, 2 paper copies, however the City of Mesa no longer accepts paper prints. So I called Pool Engineering Inc to have them send them via PDF, they said that would be an additional $50. What! Come on man! They sent them anyways after a short haggle. But lo and behold 1 of the pages was not oriented horizontal so the city kicked back my permit, re-submitted again and am awaiting, maybe the 31st of July although they said they are running a few days behind from this new digital system, I asked if I could pay the $500 for expedite and they said they are not doing that at this time until there backlog is caught up. Great...

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    Mike the reputable pool layout guy here was in and out in 10 minutes, charged me $120 and said tell your excavator the benchmark is 1 1/2" for your existing brick patio.



    On Wednesday last week Scott from Action Excavating called and said he had a cancellation, can he start right away, I said sure of course. Thursday morning he returned and took the last load down the hill 2 miles away, I called a friend with some horse property and he said dump all of the dirt behind my house, I will use it. So that helped!

    The Plumber was here Thursday at Noon and finished at 6:15, I gave them a 6 pack of beer and $20 each for a tip. The pressure test has not moved all week.




    Friday Morning Scholz Rebar arrived and wrapped that up, it was only one guy that did it all, he was there until sundown. Its Monsoon season here so we had a couple of torrential downpours, it washed out a small portion of the stairs over the weekend. So thats why there is plastic everywhere.





    Picked up the ledger stone and water line tile, so far I have gotten everything at wholesale direct from the suppliers saving a bunch.


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    I ran all of the equipotential bonding and the low voltage light myself, even dug the trenches for the plumbers. I am going to run simply 2 Pentaire GloBrite multi color lights, one at each end, that should be sufficient, they are not cheap! Those lights will pipe directly to an intermax 100 12Volt transformer, then to a switch thru the GFCI circuit back to the panel. The pump will be on its own 20 amp 2 pole. I do not want any high voltage in or near this thing!




    Picked up a slab of 3cm travertine 16x16 with a bull nose edge, this will work perfect! The bond beam is actually 8" with a 6" wall so I will need the extra lip.

    Whats his name above stated that I could no where near get this done for 28 grand, well Its closer to $18 grand, halfway paid for and bids all signed and paid with cash. I had a bid from California and Premiere for $32 and $29K, Thats a huge savings!


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    My brother is a licensed backflow tester so the auto fill is all ready to go with a test cert ready for the inspector.

    Doing the site plan for the city was a snap with floorplanner.com, just treat walls as lines and use whatever, there was a guideline to follow from the city as to what was required to be on the site plan, pretty easy although I had a rough time finding the PUFE (property easement for utilities) had to look thru all of my title work schedule B to find an old map, faded and illegible we figured 6' across the front of the street.


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    Re: Newbie: Arizona DIY Pool Sub Contractors Needed

    This is basically where we are going. I did have the excavator go 3'6" instead of 3' We had 3' 6" on our last pool and it worked perfect to lounge and lean against the baja step. So 3'6" 5' 4' is gonna be the way to go.



    I was surprised at the cost of the 3 sheer descents, they were $120 a piece, just a plastic injection molded box with a 1 1/2" fitting on the back.





    Spoke with my shotcrete guy, he has completed a few thousand pools locally, he was surprised how fast we are moving along, now just twittling our thumbs waiting on the city.

    He can be onsite with in a day or 2 notice, then a little block work, waterline tile, coping and ledger stone, then plaster. Shouldve only taken 3 - 4 weeks for this simple build. Thanks city, they are only open 4 days a week and said 10 more days, that equates to 2 1/2 weeks plus 2 days for their lag behind, then another to call in pre-gunite inspection, the 2 more for shotcrete. Coming along though, pretty easy after following a few builds from TFP! Thanks!

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    Re: Newbie: Arizona DIY Pool Sub Contractors Needed

    My shotcrete guys required me to let the shotcrete cure for a minimum of 30 days before plaster if I wanted them to warranty their work. It ended up taking me longer than thst to finish my decking and tile, but that was mostly because I had issues with my coping snd decking sub combined with some business travel.
    New pool build in process. Freeform approx 15'x30' with tanning ledge, approx 11,000 gallons, in ground pool, pebble sheen interior, Pentair Sand Filter, Pentair Intelliflow variable speed pump, SWG, raised bond beam with 3 sheer descents, EasyTouch automation with screenlogic

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