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    my pool has a vacuum return line (pressure). Can you help me locate the valve to open it? the valve marked "return line" shuts off the two return jets- but it does not turn on the vacuum line. Not sure where the water goes when this valve is closed.
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Yes, the line you have marked "Return Line?" is the pool return. It is directly after the puck chlorinator.

    The open pipe with the "?" makes me wonder if it is to the spa heater?

    Are you sure you don't have a suction side vac set up, instead of a pressure cleaner? I only ask because you only have one return line to the pool but 3 from it.
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by YippeeSkippy View Post
    Yes, the line you have marked "Return Line?" is the pool return. It is directly after the puck chlorinator.

    The open pipe with the "?" makes me wonder if it is to the spa heater?

    Are you sure you don't have a suction side vac set up, instead of a pressure cleaner? I only ask because you only have one return line to the pool but 3 from it.
    yes- I remember water coming out of it when the inspector was working on the pool.
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Archer,

    I too believe that you have a "suction" vacuum line and not a "pressure" vacuum line..

    You have three lines coming into your pump. My guess is you have one skimmer, one main drain and one for your suction side cleaner. If you have two skimmers, then I would also suspect your main drain is connected through one of the skimmers.

    Just a guess, of course, but I suspect the one with the broken handle is for your vacuum line

    But, since the Aquabot Breeze 4WD in your signature, is a DC operated unit, I can't but wonder if we even understand your question?? Are you really looking for a pipe going into your pool that operates a water powered cleaner???

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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    Archer,

    I too believe that you have a "suction" vacuum line and not a "pressure" vacuum line..

    You have three lines coming into your pump. My guess is you have one skimmer, one main drain and one for your suction side cleaner. If you have two skimmers, then I would also suspect your main drain is connected through one of the skimmers.

    Just a guess, of course, but I suspect the one with the broken handle is for your vacuum line

    But, since the Aquabot Breeze 4WD in your signature, is a DC operated unit, I can't but wonder if we even understand your question?? Are you really looking for a pipe going into your pool that operates a water powered cleaner???

    Jim R.
    I am positive it is a pressure line. I held my hand against it when the inspector turned it on and there was high pressure water coming out! (I have two skimmers and a bottom drain; bottom drain is sealed off which is probably why that broken valve is in closed position)

    the reason is I found an old Polaris 360 in the shed (from previous owners) and I would like to use it in addition to the Aquabot.
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Archer,

    What does the port look like where you felt high pressure water? What size pipe is it? Does it look different than a regular return? How may returns do you have, not including the one you believe is for the vacuum?

    Did the inspector say it was for a pressure side cleaner?

    Your pictures shows no evidence of a pressure side cleaner outlet. Maybe a picture of what is on the other side of the wall might help..

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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    Archer,

    What does the port look like where you felt high pressure water? What size pipe is it? Does it look different than a regular return? How may returns do you have, not including the one you believe is for the vacuum?

    Did the inspector say it was for a pressure side cleaner?

    Your pictures shows no evidence of a pressure side cleaner outlet. Maybe a picture of what is on the other side of the wall might help..

    Jim R.
    this is the vacuum port:
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Archer,

    Looks like an adapter that replaces a regular eyeball pool return, which allows your 360 to be connected. But.. if that were true, you'd think it would have flow as soon as you turned on the pump??

    Let's hope someone with a 360 can chime in.

    Does water come out when the pump is on? What happens when you turn what looks like a knob on the side?

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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    Archer,

    Looks like an adapter that replaces a regular eyeball pool return, which allows your 360 to be connected. But.. if that were true, you'd think it would have flow as soon as you turned on the pump??

    Let's hope someone with a 360 can chime in.

    Does water come out when the pump is on? What happens when you turn what looks like a knob on the side?

    Thanks,

    Jim R.
    no water coming out of this- only the two return jets. Turning that side knob didn't do anything.
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Ok, let's try something different. Backwards, in my mind-

    On the first pic that you have three pipes labeled "suction lines" the far left hand valve is turned unlike the other two to the right of it. If you open that one up...what happens?

    I'm wondering if all your "returns from pool" lines are tied together into that one pipe labeled "return line" sitting in front of the puck Chlorinator, and the three pipes labeled "suction lines" are in fact actually the pressure return lines?
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by YippeeSkippy View Post
    Ok, let's try something different. Backwards, in my mind-

    On the first pic that you have three pipes labeled "suction lines" the far left hand valve is turned unlike the other two to the right of it. If you open that one up...what happens?

    I'm wondering if all your "returns from pool" lines are tied together into that one pipe labeled "return line" sitting in front of the puck Chlorinator, and the three pipes labeled "suction lines" are in fact actually the pressure return lines?
    is there any risk of damaging the equipment? e.g. If I close all suction lines what happens?
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Do not ever close *all* the lines, but you can certainly tweak them, turning midway to test if that increases/decreases flow. Also if you do want to close one or two leave the third open while you test them out.

    Monitor your pressure gauge also as you turn dials to see if it alters in any way?
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by YippeeSkippy View Post
    Ok, let's try something different. Backwards, in my mind-

    On the first pic that you have three pipes labeled "suction lines" the far left hand valve is turned unlike the other two to the right of it. If you open that one up...what happens?

    I'm wondering if all your "returns from pool" lines are tied together into that one pipe labeled "return line" sitting in front of the puck Chlorinator, and the three pipes labeled "suction lines" are in fact actually the pressure return lines?
    tried all 3. no luck guess it's gonna cost me a service call to figure it out
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    archer,

    Can you get us a couple of pictures of behind the wall, where the pump and filter are located?

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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    archer,

    Can you get us a couple of pictures of behind the wall, where the pump and filter are located?

    Jim R.
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Archer,

    Well the last pic shows that the three valves on the right of your original pic are suction lines as you have them labeled.

    Do you have a Spa, I don't see that in your signature? The only valve I see in your pics, that could have anything to do with the vacuum output, is the one labeled "Spa Jets"???

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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    Archer,

    Well the last pic shows that the three valves on the right of your original pic are suction lines as you have them labeled.

    Do you have a Spa, I don't see that in your signature? The only valve I see in your pics, that could have anything to do with the vacuum output, is the one labeled "Spa Jets"???

    Jim R.
    yes there is a non-heated spa. That valve does not affect the vacuum port
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Archer,

    Well, I'm sorry to say I'm out of ideas..

    If you get it working, please let us know what you find.. It might help the next time we have this type of problem.

    Thanks,

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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Have you unscrewed the vacuum port fitting from the wall to make sure the connector isn't somehow stopping flow? Maybe the pressure relief valve is messed up, and there's a screen to catch debris that could be clogged.
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    Re: need help identifying valve for vacuum return

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandra B View Post
    Have you unscrewed the vacuum port fitting from the wall to make sure the connector isn't somehow stopping flow? Maybe the pressure relief valve is messed up, and there's a screen to catch debris that could be clogged.
    you were right! took the fitting off and whoa!

    what is this part called? it is filled with gunk and I want to replace:

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