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    New to the site and checking my knowledge

    I've been lurking as a guest for a year or so. This is my third season owning a pool and what got me here was growing tired of fighting CYA and pouring hundreds of dollars into the pool trying to keep the values in the acceptable range. Nothing new here. I replaced the broken tablet chlorinator with the Liquidator last week and so far things are running smoothly. Except for the CYA which is 190 everything else is in the acceptable range. FC is 5.1

    Wednesday I noticed a slight chlorine odor while I was in the pool and my boys all had red eyes after they came out. If I read the pool basics correctly, red eyes are caused by CC and not FC. Is this correct? Tonight I could still smell a slight odor of chlorine in the water but no red eyes were observed. I did add Calcium (3lbs) on Wednesday prior to going into the pool if that matters.

    Going back to pool basics a chlorine smell is an indication of CC which means the FC is "attacking" something (algae?) in the pool. The water is crystal clear but I did battle algae for the better part of June, early July.

    The pool doesn't have a "nice" feeling, the water feels hard. We have a softener in the house, Cincinnati water is generally hard though our source is on the lighter side of the scale. Am I just spoiled by the softener?

    Appreciate the advice and knowledge I've learned thus far.
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    I've been lurking as a guest for a year or so. This is my third season owning a pool and what got me here was growing tired of fighting CYA and pouring hundreds of dollars into the pool trying to keep the values in the acceptable range. Nothing new here. I replaced the broken tablet chlorinator with the Liquidator last week and so far things are running smoothly. Except for the CYA which is 190 everything else is in the acceptable range. FC is 5.1

    Wednesday I noticed a slight chlorine odor while I was in the pool and my boys all had red eyes after they came out. If I read the pool basics correctly, red eyes are caused by CC and not FC. Is this correct? Tonight I could still smell a slight odor of chlorine in the water but no red eyes were observed. I did add Calcium (3lbs) on Wednesday prior to going into the pool if that matters.

    Going back to pool basics a chlorine smell is an indication of CC which means the FC is "attacking" something (algae?) in the pool. The water is crystal clear but I did battle algae for the better part of June, early July.

    The pool doesn't have a "nice" feeling, the water feels hard. We have a softener in the house, Cincinnati water is generally hard though our source is on the lighter side of the scale. Am I just spoiled by the softener?

    Appreciate the advice and knowledge I've learned thus far.
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    If you had a proper test kit you could already have your answer. I will bet that your CC's are elevated and you are on the verge of an algae bloom.

    If your CYA is indeed 190ppm, your minimum FC level is 14ppm. That 5.1ppm (pool $tore result?) is not adequate.

    I recommend you get a proper test kit. If you already own a FAS/DPD test kit that we recommend, please post a complete set of test results.

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    Water samples to the local pool supplier. I know it's not ideal but it's the best option until my test kit arrives.
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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    Great that you found this place and using the TFP method will lead to crystal clear and red-free eyes on your kids forever - if properly followed of course.

    May I ask what test kit you ordered?

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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    CC's associated with smell and irritation are typically from oxidizing things like urea and fertilizer.

    Your pool doesn't happen to have an opaque cover on it all the time?

    The irritation could very well be PH related - though one would expect the pool store to at least get the PH test correct

    You can adjust the feel of the water by adding salt - although don't do anything until the test kit arrives.
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    Taylor k2006? I think
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    Yep, get a good test kit and post some test results and we can figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightingguy View Post
    CC's associated with smell and irritation are typically from oxidizing things like urea and fertilizer.

    Your pool doesn't happen to have an opaque cover on it all the time?

    The irritation could very well be PH related - though one would expect the pool store to at least get the PH test correct

    You can adjust the feel of the water by adding salt - although don't do anything until the test kit arrives.
    No cover on the pool, urea wouldn't surprise me with 3 boys, their friends and two toddlers that occasionally use the pool.

    Red eyes returned today, along with a fairly strong odor of chlorine. I'm so tired of replacing water but it looks like it's in my future again.

    Is there a way to most efficiently replace the water and displace as much of the high cya water? I'm thinking about laying the garden hose in the deep end and running the water all night such that the fresh, cold water slowly pushes out the warmer, high CYA water?
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    That sounds like a pretty good theory.
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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    Getting your CYA down is going to be important. It's frustrating - but what else can you do?

    At CYA 190 there is so little "chlorine" left in the water - you are just not properly oxidizing the waste in the water. You would think UV radiation from the sun would break up some of it - but clearly it's not enough.


    For what it's worth - I spent quite a bit of time in the pool today with my daughter. No goggles, no irritation, no red eyes.

    You're on the right path. Lower CYA and a good test kit - the perfect place to start.
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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    but it's the best option until my test kit arrives.
    Not really. If you had a bogus tire gauge that said your tires were at 32 psi (but they were really at 4 psi) you would not want to use that gauge (test) and be comfortable driving to California.

    Get a good test kit and post numbers we can all rely on. Trust your own testing---always!
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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by phillijp View Post
    ......... Is there a way to most efficiently replace the water and displace as much of the high cya water? I'm thinking about laying the garden hose in the deep end and running the water all night such that the fresh, cold water slowly pushes out the warmer, high CYA water?
    The most efficient way is to drain some water first (remove high-CYA water), then replace that amount with fresh water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duraleigh View Post
    Not really. If you had a bogus tire gauge that said your tires were at 32 psi (but they were really at 4 psi) you would not want to use that gauge (test) and be comfortable driving to California.

    Get a good test kit and post numbers we can all rely on. Trust your own testing---always!
    Well the alternative is no test....

    My kit should arrive Tuesday or Wednesday then I'll post some results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domct203 View Post
    The most efficient way is to drain some water first (remove high-CYA water), then replace that amount with fresh water.

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    Leave a foot of water in the shallow end to prevent liner shift.

    Yes, the alternative is no test. But, we have seen many people make their pools worse because of inaccurate test reaults. Just because it gives you a number doesn't make it more meaningful than no number. If some random human stopped by your house and gave you a set of test results would you think that was better than nothing?
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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    Ok, while I wait for the UPS man to deliver my test kit I drained and refilled the pool which resulted in about 87% of the water being replaced. I'm even going to fill just under the coping then drain it down to the normal level. Our water is $20 per 5000 gallons so a little extra can't hurt. I'm almost getting excited to do testing.

    Once I'm done filling should I leave the pump (and chlorinator) on all night, shock, all of the above, none of the above?
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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by phillijp View Post
    Ok, while I wait for the UPS man to deliver my test kit I drained and refilled the pool which resulted in about 87% of the water being replaced. I'm even going to fill just under the coping then drain it down to the normal level. Our water is $20 per 5000 gallons so a little extra can't hurt. I'm almost getting excited to do testing.

    Once I'm done filling should I leave the pump (and chlorinator) on all night, shock, all of the above, none of the above?
    The pool will need chlorine, but it's hard to say how much without a CYA result, or what you are using for a chlorine source.

    How do you plan to chlorinate?

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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by domct203 View Post
    The pool will need chlorine, but it's hard to say how much without a CYA result, or what you are using for a chlorine source.
    How do you plan to chlorinate?

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    Re: New to the site and checking my knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by phillijp View Post
    Liquidator....
    since you just replaced practically all the water you can estimate how much CYA you need for 30 ppm using PoolMath (41 oz) plus how much bleach targeting 6 ppm (92 oz at 8.25%). When you get the test kit the actual fun begins .
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    Quote Originally Posted by max2k View Post
    since you just replaced practically all the water you can estimate how much CYA you need for 30 ppm using PoolMath (41 oz) plus how much bleach targeting 6 ppm (92 oz at 8.25%). When you get the test kit the actual fun begins .
    I've got a few tabs left, I think I'll toss them into the skimmer in the morning and wait patiently for the UPS man for my newest present.
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