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    PV3 vs. Pentair

    I'm about decided on installing IFC in my new pool design (first time builder/owner) but want to make sure I've weighed the decision accurately. We have IFC in the budget so I'm mainly concerned with embodied costs of electricity, pop-up unit repair etc. over the lifetime of the pool. A friend suggested I speak with a pool cleaning company to get their take as trades people, who experience it all. I'm waiting on final specs and will have more detail on pumps etc. tomorrow. Any help and advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    Welcome to the forum!

    I think you would have much less grief with a robotic cleaner. From what I have seen, too many on the forum have had issues with them. But you will also find forum members who love them. Probably because they haven't had an issue with them.....yet.

    Anyway one thing you should be aware of is that they need high flow rates and pressure to work properly which means high energy use. Some mitigate this by just running the in-floors a few hours per day.
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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    Thanks! I'm sure this won't be my first post.

    My PB replied and said "the in floor uses a 1.5 whisper flow pump but the robot uses a pump as well so it washes out. You can use a robot that is 12volt that works great and has no pump. Its just preferences." It's a $4k upgrade for in floor, and I only get one shot, so I want to be sure...thanks.

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    I have a Paramount PCC2000 system that is made by the same people as the PV3, I think. It's almost 20 years old and still works well.

    In this area we get a lot of sand and dust blown into the pool on a daily basis, so this saves me a ton of work brushing and/or vacuuming the pool. I would highly recommend an in-floor system if you have the need. I run it for 6 hours in the middle of the night when electric rates are low here, so it doesn't cost too much to run. However, for optimal cleaning, it probably does require an extra pump.

    Maintenance is actually pretty simple. Parts come out pretty easily, but they are expensive to replace.
    50,000 gallon plaster in-ground salt pool with two 60 sq ft DE filters, two Intellichlor IC60 SWGs, two Intelliflo VS pumps, two Whisperflo pumps, two Pentair 400K BTU NG heaters, PCC2000 in-floor cleaning system...two everything.

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    My PB replied and said "the in floor uses a 1.5 whisper flow pump but the robot uses a pump as well so it washes out.
    That is hilarious. No it is not even close to being a wash. The pool pump uses >5x the power for in-floor as the robotic cleaner. Not even close.
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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    >5x more power even with a two pump setup, considering the 1.5 whisper flow pump dedicated for the IFC? I'm in construction and build a lot of LEED projects, and plan on being in this house for another 20 years so that's a big consideration.

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    The full rate Whisperflo uses about 1800 watts. Most robotics are less than 200 watts. So in this case it is about 9:1.
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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    Would you recommend the Pentair Pressure "Racer" over the robotic Prowler 830 with regards to embodied costs of lifetime use?

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    No. A robotic will probably always have a lower lifetime cost. There are robotics that do not cost much more than the pressure cleaner.

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    Will a Pentair Prowler 820 or 830 clean as well as a pressure cleaner? Or should I save the money with the Dolphin, and have my PB exclude the cleaner from his scope?

    Thanks in advance for your help...I think I'm finally nearing a decision, based on your knowledge and advice.

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    And will those robots clean steps, as well as the swim out ledge?

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    Re: PV3 vs. Pentair

    Yes, some will but I don't know how effective they are at it. I just sweep my steps once a week. Not a big deal.
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