Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    OKC, OK
    Posts
    12

    First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Hey everyone!

    I have been reading and reading and reading, so much good information on here, thanks so much!

    Here's where I'm stuck. We just finished filling our pool last night and our pump is leaking, so we haven't been able to turn that on yet. (It seems to be a leaking gasket, so hopefully we can fix that tonight.) But here's where I'm confused. First of all, I'm confused with the amount of gallons I have in my pool. Intex says one thing and each of the calculators I have used, say another. Not sure which one to go with, since some of my Intex info has already proved inaccurate.

    Then, I'm confused with where to start with my levels and how much bleach to start adding. I understand I should put my numbers in the calculator to see where I'm deficient and such....but nothing is in the pool yet. I've read I should start with the CYA and then go from there, so I tested that just now. But the water never got cloudy, so that means the reading is lower than 30? (which is the lowest mark on my test) But I haven't added any, because I haven't known how much?? Ack....I think I may be making this more complicated than it should be, but I haven't quite wrapped my brain around it yet.

    Can anyone recommend where to start and what I should add initially??

    Thank you, thank you!
    Ashley
    Above Ground, Intex Ultra Frame, 24' x 52" round
    Intex Pump and Sand filter 2100 gph (Model: SF80110)
    14,000 gallons (I think??)...every calculation is different
    Install: 7/14/16
    Test Kit: Taylor K2006

  2. Back To Top    #2

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Land O Lakes, FL
    Posts
    526

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Someone will be along to answer your question about the gallons.

    Do you have a test kit yet. If not, you will need one. http://www.tftestkits.com

    If you just filled the pool, you don't yet have any CYA. According to poolmath, you have 13500 gallons. Lets start there. 54oz of CYA (stabilizer) will get you to 30ppm.

    Then Pool School - Chlorine / CYA Chart , show that with CYA of 30, you should be at 2 to 4 ppm of FC. Then you can use pool math to determine how much bleach to add based on where you are at now.
    Matt
    2016 Pool Build: 12k IG Blue Granite Pebblesheen, Travertine Coping & Pavers, Pentair IntelliFlo, Intellichlor, Easytouch, Clean & Clear 320, Heliocol Solar - TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    SWG Run Time Calculator

  3. Back To Top    #3

    TFP Guide
    triptyx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    1,194

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    What is the shape, depth, and dimensions in feet of your pool?

    Ugh, I didn't even see the signature. Sorry! :P
    8,500gal plaster in-ground with attached spa, two floor drains, one skimmer. Chlorine, City Water.
    Pentair WhisperFlo 1hp Pump, MagnaTek Midcentury EPlus motor, Pentair CleanNClear 200SF Cartridge filter, Purex Triton MiniMax 250 Gas Heater, Pentair SunLite, AutoFill.
    Kreepy Krauly Cruiser, TF-100 with SpeedStir. :D

  4. Back To Top    #4
    Texas Splash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    South-Central Texas, Marion/San Antonio
    Posts
    12,938

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    ^^ Agreed ^^ Definitely get used to the Poolmath calculator (link below and on home page). Use that to add stabilizer. A CYA of 30 is minimum, but if you're getting the kind of sun/heat we are, you may need more like 40 or even 50 later. Which ever you chose, use the calculator to add stabilizer as follows:
    To increase CYA via granular stabilizer, place the required amount as calculated by the Poolmath calculator into a white sock and place in the poolside skimmer basket. For those concerned about suction flow to the pump, suspending the sock near a return jet or from a floating device will also suffice. Best never to allow undissolved granules to rest directly against the pool surface. Squeeze the sock periodically to help it dissipate. Once dissolved, consider your CYA adjusted to that programmed (target) level. CYA test readings should show a rise in 24-48 hours, however some pools may experience a longer delay to fully register. Best to confirm final CYA in about 5-7 days before adding any more stabilizer/conditioner.
    For day 1, add enough regular bleach to increase FC to about 3 ppm. After that, once the stabilizer is all dissolved, increase FC to about 5 and I wouldn't let it go below 4 in this heat. Keep your pH in the mid-7s.

    Definitely make the "proper" test kit a #1 priority. You do not want to guess with chemicals. I highly recommend the TF-100 (with Speed Stir). Great value and accurate results that will last this season and more. Great to have you with us. Welcome to TFP!
    Pat (a.k.a. Texas Splash) ~ My Pool: Viking Fiberglass; 17,888 Gal; Waterway Supreme 2-sp/2-hp pump; Hayward Ctg filter; TF-100 w/ Speed Stir
    Vital Links: POOL SCHOOL, RECOMMENDED LEVELS, RECOMMENDED CHEMICALS, Poolmath Calculator, SLAM, Chlorine/CYA CHART.
    If you enjoyed your TFP experience, please consider donating to Support TFP!

  5. Back To Top    #5

    TFP Guide

    AimeeH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Columbia SC
    Posts
    1,837

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Welcome to TFP

    Pool math can help you estimate the size in gallons of your pool. It's all the way towards the bottom.

    You'll want to get CYA (aka stabilizer or conditioner) in your pool to target 30ppm is a good target. Then add chlorine, preferably liquid/plain bleach to target your FC for 30 CYA.

    At that point, check PH and TA and report back with questions.

    With the addition of CYA, assuming you are using granular, it is best to put it in an old sock and hang it in front of a return, or I tie one (or more if needed) to floating pool noodles. We advise this so you aren't distributing it onto your liner directly and it can be slow to dissolve unless you go out there and squeeze the sock a lot.
    18*36*23 true "L" vinyl IG 29,000 gallons. SWG. TF-100 test kit.
    http://tftestkits.net/splash-page.html

  6. Back To Top    #6

    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    OKC, OK
    Posts
    12

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Oh sorry, I added more stuff to the signature but it didn't save. I just fixed that.
    Above Ground, Intex Ultra Frame, 24' x 52" round
    Intex Pump and Sand filter 2100 gph (Model: SF80110)
    14,000 gallons (I think??)...every calculation is different
    Install: 7/14/16
    Test Kit: Taylor K2006

  7. Back To Top    #7

    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    OKC, OK
    Posts
    12

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Quote Originally Posted by mgmoore7 View Post
    Someone will be along to answer your question about the gallons.

    Do you have a test kit yet. If not, you will need one. http://www.tftestkits.com

    If you just filled the pool, you don't yet have any CYA. According to poolmath, you have 13500 gallons. Lets start there. 54oz of CYA (stabilizer) will get you to 30ppm.

    Then Pool School - Chlorine / CYA Chart , show that with CYA of 30, you should be at 2 to 4 ppm of FC. Then you can use pool math to determine how much bleach to add based on where you are at now.
    So yes, I have a kit. The Taylor K2006. And okay, so, 54oz of CYA.....got it, I'll start there. Thanks!

    I have tried using that poolmath chart, but ack, don't laugh.....I can't get the numbers to change. I'm not understanding how to get the correct numbers to show up. I'm kind of feeling silly because I'm guessing once I see how it works, I'll probably smack my forehead, but has anyone else felt confused about plugging numbers into that chart? Because when I hover, nothing changes. (I'm using a MAC, does that matter?)
    Above Ground, Intex Ultra Frame, 24' x 52" round
    Intex Pump and Sand filter 2100 gph (Model: SF80110)
    14,000 gallons (I think??)...every calculation is different
    Install: 7/14/16
    Test Kit: Taylor K2006

  8. Back To Top    #8

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Land O Lakes, FL
    Posts
    526

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Quote Originally Posted by joh05058 View Post
    So yes, I have a kit. The Taylor K2006. And okay, so, 54oz of CYA.....got it, I'll start there. Thanks!

    I have tried using that poolmath chart, but ack, don't laugh.....I can't get the numbers to change. I'm not understanding how to get the correct numbers to show up. I'm kind of feeling silly because I'm guessing once I see how it works, I'll probably smack my forehead, but has anyone else felt confused about plugging numbers into that chart? Because when I hover, nothing changes. (I'm using a MAC, does that matter?)
    Be sure that you input the right gallons. There is a button to click at the top that says calculate. I would not worry about the hover too much. It just shows the same value in another conversion such as cups vs oz.
    Matt
    2016 Pool Build: 12k IG Blue Granite Pebblesheen, Travertine Coping & Pavers, Pentair IntelliFlo, Intellichlor, Easytouch, Clean & Clear 320, Heliocol Solar - TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    SWG Run Time Calculator

  9. Back To Top    #9

    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    OKC, OK
    Posts
    12

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Splash View Post
    ^^ Agreed ^^ Definitely get used to the Poolmath calculator (link below and on home page). Use that to add stabilizer. A CYA of 30 is minimum, but if you're getting the kind of sun/heat we are, you may need more like 40 or even 50 later. Which ever you chose, use the calculator to add stabilizer as follows:

    For day 1, add enough regular bleach to increase FC to about 3 ppm. After that, once the stabilizer is all dissolved, increase FC to about 5 and I wouldn't let it go below 4 in this heat. Keep your pH in the mid-7s.

    Definitely make the "proper" test kit a #1 priority. You do not want to guess with chemicals. I highly recommend the TF-100 (with Speed Stir). Great value and accurate results that will last this season and more. Great to have you with us. Welcome to TFP!
    Thanks so much.....I'm so impressed with all the help here! Really, thanks!

    And okay, those are some good numbers to start with, especially seeing you live in a similar climate. I'll steal one of my kids' socks ASAP!

    And I have the Taylor K2006 test (I updated my signature). I'll test more numbers once I get everything in there....and check back in here if I have more questions.

    Thanks again!

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by mgmoore7 View Post
    Be sure that you input the right gallons. There is a button to click at the top that says calculate. I would not worry about the hover too much. It just shows the same value in another conversion such as cups vs oz.
    So, I put in 13,000 to start there and pressed calculate and this is all I see. There aren't numbers telling me how much of everything to put in. Am I missing something? (Can you guys even see that image? Is there a way to add a bigger file?)

    Screen Shot 2016-07-15 at 6.59.06 PM.jpg
    Above Ground, Intex Ultra Frame, 24' x 52" round
    Intex Pump and Sand filter 2100 gph (Model: SF80110)
    14,000 gallons (I think??)...every calculation is different
    Install: 7/14/16
    Test Kit: Taylor K2006

  10. Back To Top    #10

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Land O Lakes, FL
    Posts
    526

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    As a example, enter 0 for the Now column of CYA and enter 30 in the Target column, then press calculate. Just to the right of where you entered 30, you should get a result.
    Matt
    2016 Pool Build: 12k IG Blue Granite Pebblesheen, Travertine Coping & Pavers, Pentair IntelliFlo, Intellichlor, Easytouch, Clean & Clear 320, Heliocol Solar - TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    SWG Run Time Calculator

  11. Back To Top    #11
    Texas Splash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    South-Central Texas, Marion/San Antonio
    Posts
    12,938

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Also, on the FC row, make sure to manually enter the current "WEIGHT" (percentage) of bleach you are using.
    Pat (a.k.a. Texas Splash) ~ My Pool: Viking Fiberglass; 17,888 Gal; Waterway Supreme 2-sp/2-hp pump; Hayward Ctg filter; TF-100 w/ Speed Stir
    Vital Links: POOL SCHOOL, RECOMMENDED LEVELS, RECOMMENDED CHEMICALS, Poolmath Calculator, SLAM, Chlorine/CYA CHART.
    If you enjoyed your TFP experience, please consider donating to Support TFP!

  12. Back To Top    #12

    TFP Guide

    AimeeH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Columbia SC
    Posts
    1,837

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    I can see the image enough that I "think" you aren't plugging your "now" numbers in......as mentioned above. But be careful too........you may not need to make every adjustment reccomended by pool math just yet.......which is why I advised getting CYA in the pool first........good to follow Texas Splash advice on chlorine.

    Then test PH and TA and post back questions.
    18*36*23 true "L" vinyl IG 29,000 gallons. SWG. TF-100 test kit.
    http://tftestkits.net/splash-page.html

  13. Back To Top    #13

    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    OKC, OK
    Posts
    12

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Quote Originally Posted by mgmoore7 View Post
    As a example, enter 0 for the Now column of CYA and enter 30 in the Target column, then press calculate. Just to the right of where you entered 30, you should get a result.
    AHA!!! That's what I wasn't seeing, were the words "now" and "target" at the top. Thanks!
    Above Ground, Intex Ultra Frame, 24' x 52" round
    Intex Pump and Sand filter 2100 gph (Model: SF80110)
    14,000 gallons (I think??)...every calculation is different
    Install: 7/14/16
    Test Kit: Taylor K2006

  14. Back To Top    #14

    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    43

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Ashley -

    You've come to the right place. Rather than provide advice let me provide reassurance. While all of this is a bit overwhelming to begin with it will make sense soon. And, the best part....if you are patient and trust what you hear....and PoolMath....this will get REALLY EASY! You'll save money on chemicals...have a pool you can trust to be safe...and be the ENVY of your friends and neighbors. Really...its that easy.

    WARNING: After you get your own pool beautiful and clean you'll be a PITA to friends who invite you over for pool parties as you look skeptically at their pool....and hear their reassurance that "the pool guy takes care of it".

    Have fun.

    Randy
    15000 gal in-ground rectangular concrete/pebble-tech pool. Hot Springs Prodigy 325 gal spa.

  15. Back To Top    #15

    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    OKC, OK
    Posts
    12

    Re: First Time Pool Owner...confused with WHERE TO START with chemicals???

    Quote Originally Posted by floridarandy View Post
    Ashley -

    You've come to the right place. Rather than provide advice let me provide reassurance. While all of this is a bit overwhelming to begin with it will make sense soon. And, the best part....if you are patient and trust what you hear....and PoolMath....this will get REALLY EASY! You'll save money on chemicals...have a pool you can trust to be safe...and be the ENVY of your friends and neighbors. Really...its that easy.

    WARNING: After you get your own pool beautiful and clean you'll be a PITA to friends who invite you over for pool parties as you look skeptically at their pool....and hear their reassurance that "the pool guy takes care of it".

    Have fun.

    Randy
    HAHAHA --- I love the warning! I can hardly wait to be that PITA!!!

    And thanks for the fist bump...I'm already feeling better about it all!

    Thanks everyone!
    Above Ground, Intex Ultra Frame, 24' x 52" round
    Intex Pump and Sand filter 2100 gph (Model: SF80110)
    14,000 gallons (I think??)...every calculation is different
    Install: 7/14/16
    Test Kit: Taylor K2006

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •