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    "sticky" water

    Hello all,

    This has been a beautiful summer and despite our difficult start with the pool this year, we are now enjoying a very clear pool and warm water to go with that. It is perfect. I have a load of swimmers on a daily basis and I am keeping the FC a bit on the higher end as the sun is shinning strong and the amount of swimmers are consuming it all. The test this morning shows:
    FC = 12
    CC = 0
    TA = 140
    PH = 8.0
    CYA = 40
    CH = 160

    I am going to add some MA this evening to get the PH balanced. Now, we have noticed that the water feels a bit "sticky" It is leaving a residue of sorts in the skin and hair gets rather hard after swimming. What can be the cause of that?

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    Re: "sticky" water

    Can you list what you have put in the pool so far this season? You have a Nature2 chlorinated listed, is that what you are using?

    Are your swimmers using a lot of sunscreen and lotions?
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    Re: "sticky" water

    crinkly hair is usually calcium but yours doesn't look that high.

    I would assume sunscreen if you have a large bather load.

    If that is the case look on amazon for "scum bug" it's a floating sponge
    you put in the skimmer and it soaks up suncreen/lotion.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    Enter all your test results in Pool math and see what your CSI is. My guess is that it will be a little on the high side. I find that slightly negative CSI feels better on the skin, between -0.3 and 0. Your PH is a bit high, lower it to 7.6 and see if that helps. I would also consider adding 2000 ppm of salt. That will help more than anything. Humans are salty and salty water feels better. A saltwater pool usually has 3500 ppm of salt, tears are 9000 ppm and the ocean has 35,000 ppm of salt.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    Quote Originally Posted by pooldv View Post
    Enter all your test results in Pool math and see what your CSI is. My guess is that it will be a little on the high side. I find that slightly negative CSI feels better on the skin, between -0.3 and 0. Your PH is a bit high, lower it to 7.6 and see if that helps. I would also consider adding 2000 ppm of salt. That will help more than anything. Humans are salty and salty water feels better. A saltwater pool usually has 3500 ppm of salt, tears are 9000 ppm and the ocean has 35,000 ppm of salt.
    I never thought of adding salt to a non-SWG pool. Would that amount cause any problems with equipment/ladders and such?
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    Re: "sticky" water

    Thousands of people use it for their SWGS and have no problems. I just added some to my nonSWG pool last month. My son has skin problems, I think it helps some.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    No, all pool equipment is designed for use with or without salt.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    Thank you so much for all the replies. I was having computer problems, hence me not replying. All I have added to the pool this year was chlorine and MA. I deep cleaned my sand filter and that is that. The bathers are all very fair skinned so they load in sunscreen.

    As for adding salt, that sounds interesting. What type of salt should I add? how much of it should I add?

    On a separate note, despite my FC being maintained level, the water sometimes has a "fishy" smell to it. Any guesses?
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    Re: "sticky" water

    I've not sure what would cause it to smell. Do you have well water? Can you post a full set of test results?

    You can use pool salt, or, I believe, water softener salt. Walmart carries it. (I used th pool salt, it disolved quickly. The other salt is cheaper.)
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    Re: "sticky" water

    It sounds like the sunscreen is your main problem. Sunscreens contain lots of oily compounds that will not be broken down much by chlorine. In facts, most oils will made more sticky and tacky by chlorine oxidation. It's probably also the source of the smell.

    You need to have the bathers apply sunscreen well in advance of swimming. Typically applying sunscreen up to a hour before swimming is ok and leaves the sunblock fully intact. They could also wear "rashies" (i.e., swim shirts) and cut down on the amount of sun block needed.

    If you can see an oily film on the surface of the water, that would confirm it. You might need to consider using an enzyme cleaner/additive to the pool water to help breakdown the added bather waste. They are normally not needed but you seem to be describing an abnormally high level of pool use.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    That depends on your definition of maintaining FC. That sounds like algae to me. FC needs to be maintained based on the CYA level and the FC/CYA Chart. FC must be kept above minimum at all times to keep the pool sanitary and algae free. If FC drops below minimum then bacteria, pathogens and algae reproduce rapidly increasing risk of person to person disease transmission and algae blooms. Some strains of bacteria colonies can double every hour.

    Scum Balls and Scum Bugs can also help soak up oils.

    We usually recommend adding about 2000 ppm of salt to improve water feel. I buy my pool salt at Lowe's. Dump it in and let the kids play with it or brush it to dissolve it. PoolMath will tell you how many lbs to add.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    Did you take the mineral cartridge out of your Nature 2? It can stain yellow hair green and can stain your pool.

    Here is a thread I posted that will help you remove the cartridge: How to Remove Metal Balls from Nature 2 Fusion

    In addition to the CSI, mineral cartridge, the sunscreen can also be contributing and a scum ball might help with removing the sunscreen from the pool.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    I actually got rid of the Nature 2. I need to update my signature.

    Another question: Are all MA created the same? We got one that says Kleen Green and it only mentions use for concrete, masonry, boat, etching. I got a bit scared .
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    Re: "sticky" water

    Quote Originally Posted by brasilmom View Post
    I actually got rid of the Nature 2. I need to update my signature.

    Another question: Are all MA created the same? We got one that says Kleen Green and it only mentions use for concrete, masonry, boat, etching. I got a bit scared .
    MSDS says it's only 20% MA but I bet if you compared it with a bottle of 31.45% MA, the Kleen Green is probably more expensive. That's how it goes with the "low fume" and "green" MAs - weak sauce and your paying for the marketing.

    Most pool stores will carry full strength MA (31.45%) at a reasonable price. The big box hardware stores usually keep it in the paint section.
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    Re: "sticky" water

    Home depot sometimes stores the 31.45% outside in the garden center near the fencing and pavers.

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