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    First Time Owner - First Test Results

    We're moved into our home now. I tested the water using the TF 100 test kit and just followed the included instructions for each test.


    Note: I have an intellichlor SWG that is currently reading low salt and cell powered off.

    CL: 5 (highest or more?)
    BR: 10 (highest or more?)
    Ph: 7.8
    FC: 3.5
    CC: 0 or 0.5 (I couldn't decide if there was color change or just the magnetic stirrer light messing with me)
    TC: 3.5 or 4^^
    CH: 700
    TA: 150
    CYA: 100

    Leslie's gave me readings last week (and sold me phos free ) of:


    FAC 10
    TAC 10
    Salt 2000
    CH 700
    CYA 90
    TA 110
    pH 7.8
    Copper 0
    Iron 0
    Phosphates 300

    I'm wanting to stay out of the pool store as much as possible. Where do I go from here?
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Did you get the salt test when you ordered your testing kit? You'll need to get your salt level high enough to activate your SWG. How are you chlorinating now?

    Ignore the phosphates. As long as you have enough chlorine in the pool, they won't be a problem.

    Your CYA is a bit high, but not fatally so. Your CH is quite high, but manageable. You'll have to keep your PH in line and your TA down eventually. For that, you will need muriatic acid.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    The CYA test only reads to 100. Try the diluted test, Pool School - Extended Test Kit Directions.

    What is your FAS/DPD chlorine test result? It is important to maintain FC above minimum for your CYA at all times, FC/CYA Chart. If FC drops below minimum the pool is unsanitary because the kill rate for bacteria, viruses and pathogens is insufficient to prevent person to person disease transmission. It is not safe to swim when FC is below minimum.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Here is a set of links I share with new pool owners. I hope you find them helpful. You might have seen a couple of them already but i do not want to take a chance of missing one.

    Print these out:
    Pool School - Basic Pool Care Schedule

    Pool School - Recommended Levels

    Bookmark these:
    Pool School - Recommended Pool Chemicals

    http://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html

    Pool School - ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry

    Make sure to ask any and all questions you might have no matter how small! We have all been where you are at one point.


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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Quote Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    Did you get the salt test when you ordered your testing kit? You'll need to get your salt level high enough to activate your SWG. How are you chlorinating now?

    Ignore the phosphates. As long as you have enough chlorine in the pool, they won't be a problem.

    Your CYA is a bit high, but not fatally so. Your CH is quite high, but manageable. You'll have to keep your PH in line and your TA down eventually. For that, you will need muriatic acid.
    I'm not currently adding anything to the pool. I'm not really sure what to do next that is why I made this post.

    For the FAS-DPD test I got FC 3.5 and CC either 0 or 0.5 it was very faint.

    From the linked reading this is my proposed action plan:

    1. Order a salt test kit/reagent.
    2. Purchase ~150 lbs of water softener salt to bring pool to intellichlor requested level of 3400
    3. Lower TA?
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Quote Originally Posted by JoshAZ View Post
    2. Purchase ~150 lbs of water softener salt to bring pool to intellichlor requested level of 3400
    3. Lower TA?
    I'd buy pool salt myself, smaller grains dissolves easier, Sams usually has a decent price, at least compared to big box stores, or pool stores.
    But test first, only way to lower salt is drain and refill.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Okay it has been about a week and here are the results:

    Cl - 5
    Br - 10
    pH - 8.2
    FC - 2.5
    CC - .5
    TC - 3.0
    CH - 750
    TA - 140
    CYA - 100 (used diluted method)
    Salt - 3400
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Alright Josh. Well, that high CYA is your demise right now. Makes overall water management very difficult. You know that needs to come down right? Are you prepared to do a drain or a more than one hefty partial drain? No sense wasting chemicals on water you need to remove.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Thank you for the response, I will do whatever is necessary to have a trouble free pool.

    How much should I drain off at a time?

    What causes CYA to increase?

    I was planning on doing a drain when the weather cools down so we could have an acid wash and other repairs done.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Check Pool Math for your specific amount to remove, but it's not an insignificant amount. I would suggest you do it now, finish the acid wash that you want, and reset with the new, clean water & pool. No sense going through it twice.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    With SWG it only needs to drop to 80, so about 20%.

    It is important to maintain PH between 7.2 and 7.8 at all times.
    It is important to maintain FC at target level for your CYA, FC/CYA Chart, and never it let FC drop below minimum to keep your pool sanitary and safe for swimming.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Hello,

    I've drained a portion of my pool today and refilled it from the hose. The pool has been cycling all day while filling.

    Here are the test results:

    cl/br: the water was orange and not close
    pH >8.2
    FC 13
    CC 0
    TC 13
    CH 625
    TA 130
    CYA 75
    Salt 2600


    Side note (not new): When the pool light is on you can see stuff floating in the water. What is this?

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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    It is important to maintain PH between 7.2 and 7.8 at all times.

    Is the stuff floating in the pool blue? With a white hat? They're smurfs! Got any more info on the floating stuff? Leaves, bugs, logs, etc?

    Edit: I noticed a link to an outside site for a pic. Sorry, I can't click that and many others can't or won't either. Please upload pics on TFP or host your photos on Photobucket, copy the IMG code and paste it in your post, that will embed the pic in the thread so we can see them. I don't know if your vcurrent photo host offers that service.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

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    This was the linked picture. This forum doesn't accept images from my phone camera.

    Thank you for letting me know the importance of the pH levels. According to the pool math I should be adding about 26 ounces of 31.45% muriatic acid. Does this sound correct?

    Thank you for the replies.
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    Are those like white flakes? It is probably scale. Enter all your test results into PoolMath and it will give a CSI score. Tweak PH and TA to keep CSI between -0.3 and 0.

    More here, Pool School - Calcium Scaling
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Did another test today.

    pH: 7.8
    TA: 120
    CH: 550
    CYA: 75
    FC: 3
    CC: .5
    TC: 3.5

    Our water is extremely calcium hard.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Definitely get that TA and pH down Josh. Your CSI is too high. Use the acid/aeration method as noted on the Pool School - Lower Total Alkalinity page. Bring your TA down to 70 and keep the pH around 7.6 and your CSI will be in the 0.2 zone. Much better than what you have now at just over 0.6 (scale).
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Thank you will start that immediately. I don't have an aerator but I'm assuming my water feature will work fine.
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    Does anybody know what level my SWG should be on, 1-5?
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    Re: First Time Owner - First Test Results

    IC40? If so you make about .9 ozs per hour of chlorine gas. 4+ hrs will raise FC by 2. You want it at what will keep your FC at the level you need for the time your pump runs. Probably during the summer months you might need to max it.
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