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    High TA

    Hello everyone. 1st time poster but I've been lurking for about 3 weeks following the Pool School rules. This forum has me browsing like it's Facebook and I really enjoy the accelerated learning. I have a SWG in-ground pool approximately 38K gallons with Hayward ORP automation. It came with the house when we purchased it last year.

    Following pool math I've got my FC and CYA up but now my TA is high and PH has dropped, which I didn't expect. All measurements from TF-100 as recommended.

    FC: 8
    CC: 0
    PH: 6.8; It was 7.5 until I added 20 lbs of CYA
    CYA: 90
    TA: 200. Was 180 before I added CYA.

    Today I've been adding PH + in an attempt to get PH up. However I am now aerating w my nozzles pointed up as PH + isn't having the intended effect.

    Am I on the right track to getting TA down in an attempt to increase PH?

    Thanks!
    Rob




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    Re: High TA

    Well, lowering your TA will lower your PH also, but I would raise your PH with aeration. set your eyeballs to shoot up out of the water a bit, a fountain, etc.
    here's the link for water balance for SWGs
    Pool School - Water Balance for SWGs
    so dry acid or muratic acid to lower your ta and aeration to raise your PH
    if you can lower your ta to recommended levels and aerate to raise ph, your ph swings should lessen
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    Re: High TA

    Ok thanks for the reply. Sounds like I'm on track then.

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    Re: High TA

    HI! Welcome out of the sidelines and into the hot seat! LOL

    You are on the right track with the PH down with MA to get the TA down. Here is a link to it:

    Pool School - Lower Total Alkalinity

    You reall seem to have a good handle on most of it. Now will come the experience of what happens when..........You can also use Pool Math to help figure out what happens when you do this or that. It is a neat tool that does so much but does take some playing around with to figure out all of the features and how they work.

    Ask any and all questions you might have.

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    Re: High TA

    You cannot lower the TA permanently unless you do it exactly according to the article in Pool School. Acid alone does not do it.
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    Re: High TA

    Good advice. The Web pages are very well written and easy to follow. I added the ph + before I realized what I was doing and just reacted.

    I have a pool cover. Should I leave it uncovered during aeration. Seems I should but just in case others have another opinion

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    Re: High TA

    It needs to be uncovered for outgassing to occur. If you left it covered there is no where for the carbon dioxide to escape.
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    Re: High TA

    Update this morning. Left uncovered last night.

    FC: 15.5
    PH: 7.1
    CYA: approx 70/80
    TA: 200

    Plan is to continue to aerate today & recheck tonight. Not sure why the FC jumped but we had company over last night, about 8 got in the pool, so maybe that had an affect.

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    Re: High TA

    I've been aerating all weekend and the Ph is rising...back to 7.4. TA is still high but surprisingly FC is high too. Over 15 for my SWG pool. Is that anything to be alarmed about? Why might that be occuring?



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    Re: High TA

    Rob, I suspect the elevated FC is directly related to the SWG's production output - either run time or percentage. You might want to adjust one or the other and take a look at the link mulia provided earlier in post #2. TA is still a bit elevated compared to most, but as long as you can get that pH back into the 7.5-7.8 range I wouldn't worry too much about it. Alkalinity is typically high in your area anyways, so I think you are doing well. You don't have plaster to worry about, and if your pH likes the TA up there, then it will work just fine. Have a good day.
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    Re: High TA

    Thanks Texas. I disabled the SWG yesterday and letting the sun do its job.

    Yeah I've been doing a lot of reading. I decided I'm not going to bring down TA just for the sake of bringing it down. Pool is clear & feels good. Just getting PH back up and enjoy it! Right, that's why we do what we do!



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