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    Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

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    82 degree water that is crystal clear.

    Question: I'll have 16 seven year olds and 10-15 parents potentially in the pool. Should I bump the chlorine up now (at least 2 hrs before party) to 6 or 7?

    Thanks!
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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    I would be tempted to bump it to 6, then check it after the swimmer load is finished... but what do I know?
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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    Yes, go at least 2 or 3 ppm above target. It is safe to swim up to shock level for your CYA, FC/CYA Chart. Test and add again after.
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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    I agree with bumping it up. Id go as high as 8ppm. That's a lot of people, especially kids. Kids have a tendency to relieve themselves in pools and urine can cause fairly significant chlorine demand. You should definitely test right after the party as well as the following day to ensure proper chlorination. You could even do an OCLT to see what FC demand is present. We recently had a post 4th of July Party post where the OP did not check his pool after 30 people swam in it and his FC bottomed out a few days later.
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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    Fantastic! Thanks!


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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    So after the party it dropped to 3.5ppm. Crystal clear the whole day. Loads of people all day. It was incredible. At 12 noon I increased it to 8ppm FC and at 9pm it was 3.5 ppm. I bumped it to 6ppm for overnight just in case.

    I even converted a guy to the TFP method bc he couldn't believe how clear my pool was.


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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    4.5ppm FC loss can only mean one thing - Someone pee'd in your pool!!!

    Ok, maybe not ... But here's the official rough rules of thumb for bather waste. One person-hour of bather load requires ~ 4 grams of chlorine to neutralize. So, with your pool volume in pool math, you can figure out how much FC that is. It's typically quit small, on the order of 0.04ppm FC or there about for a typical sized pool.

    However, 1 cup of urine (close to normal human output) is the equivalent of 6 person-hours of bather load. So you can see that having lots of people swimming usually isn't a big deal. But, all it takes is a few people relieving themselves in the water, and FC demand goes way up.
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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoyfulNoise View Post
    4.5ppm FC loss can only mean one thing - Someone pee'd in your pool!!!

    Ok, maybe not ... But here's the official rough rules of thumb for bather waste. One person-hour of bather load requires ~ 4 grams of chlorine to neutralize. So, with your pool volume in pool math, you can figure out how much FC that is. It's typically quit small, on the order of 0.04ppm FC or there about for a typical sized pool.

    However, 1 cup of urine (close to normal human output) is the equivalent of 6 person-hours of bather load. So you can see that having lots of people swimming usually isn't a big deal. But, all it takes is a few people relieving themselves in the water, and FC demand goes way up.
    And I tested first thing in the AM (light out but not direct sun yet) and I apparently lost 1ppm overnight. From 6 to 5.

    So right now I'm at 5, which passes the overnight test.

    Whew. Now on to increase my calcium!


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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    My testing indicates for a period of 4-6 hours of pool use (in an out), with children and adults (about 8-10), I lost 4.5 ppm throughout the whole day. I do not believe anyone relieved themselves in the pool, but the "sun tan lotion" was the culprit for high chlorine consumption. You could see it all over the surface of the water. Every pool is different, and this is why we always rely on accurate testing here at TPF.

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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    John, good work on keeping on top of the pool during the extra load, and even better work on the recruitment of a TFP convert!
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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoyfulNoise View Post
    4.5ppm FC loss can only mean one thing - Someone pee'd in your pool!!!

    Ok, maybe not ... But here's the official rough rules of thumb for bather waste. One person-hour of bather load requires ~ 4 grams of chlorine to neutralize. So, with your pool volume in pool math, you can figure out how much FC that is. It's typically quit small, on the order of 0.04ppm FC or there about for a typical sized pool.

    However, 1 cup of urine (close to normal human output) is the equivalent of 6 person-hours of bather load. So you can see that having lots of people swimming usually isn't a big deal. But, all it takes is a few people relieving themselves in the water, and FC demand goes way up.
    I was thinking about this a bit. Normally my pool eats 3ppm, even with one swimmer (not peeing!). So for it to take an extra 1.5 ppm for a full pool party isn't so outrageous.


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    Re: Party in 4 hrs! Any extra FC?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnA902 View Post
    I was thinking about this a bit. Normally my pool eats 3ppm, even with one swimmer (not peeing!). So for it to take an extra 1.5 ppm for a full pool party isn't so outrageous.


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    Yup. I bet that extra 1.5ppm was just simply bather load related. Most adult people understand that you don't relieve yourself in a pool, it's the kiddos that usually present a problem. As awkward as it might be, when my kids have swim parties, I always gather the kids up and explain the rules. One of those rules is - "The pool is not a toilet bowl so do not use it as such!"
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