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    Angry Filter sand in pool

    Need advice. In an effort to stop sand in my pool, I have taken the steps below without success.

    1. Emptied filter.
    2. Inspected laterals (no problems observed)
    3. Replaced 2 laterals I broke trying to remove them.
    4. removed and inspected all internal plumbing (no problems observed)
    5. Replaced sand with Leslies filter sand.
    5. Put a thin layer of teflon tape on all internal threads, retightened to finger snug.
    6. Removed and replaced the spider gasket.

    And I STILL have about 1/2 cup per day of sand in my pool, mostly on the steps. And when I backwash I lose 1-2 cups of sand, consistently. Any ideas?
    My Pool: 18'x36' Grecian. Vinyl Liner, 500# sand filter, SWG.

    My hobbies: Brewing beer and flying rockets.

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    What make/model is the sand filter?

    Someone with a Hayward S244T had that same problem you had and found that the laterals (both new and old) could
    accidentally be folded in such a way that sand would escape. (he was looking up at the bottom of the assembly)
    There were significant gaps for sand to escape.
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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    I've got a Pentair Triton II side valve. I'm not sure what you mean by "folded" My laterals thread into a round hub. Like this:

    My Pool: 18'x36' Grecian. Vinyl Liner, 500# sand filter, SWG.

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    I assume you made sure your center standpipe was seated properly.

    Spider Gasket went in nicely with little struggle?

    How much "freeboard" space beween sand and top of filter do you have? It should be 11.25"

    How big is your pump?

    I have had that filter (in a larger version) for 10 years and it has been bulletproof. I am at a loss why you have been so thorough and still losing sand.
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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Quote Originally Posted by duraleigh View Post
    I assume you made sure your center standpipe was seated properly.
    Spider Gasket went in nicely with little struggle?
    How much "freeboard" space beween sand and top of filter do you have? It should be 11.25"
    How big is your pump?
    I have had that filter (in a larger version) for 10 years and it has been bulletproof. I am at a loss why you have been so thorough and still losing sand.
    Standpipe: It appeared to be. I threaded it on until it started to resist. Not sure I understand, so explain in more detail.

    Freeboard is 11.25", or was when I finished. Pump is 1.5HP, same as always. Sand just started last season.

    Spider gasket went in painlessly, once I got the old one out. Problem appears not to have changed with any "fixes".
    My Pool: 18'x36' Grecian. Vinyl Liner, 500# sand filter, SWG.

    My hobbies: Brewing beer and flying rockets.

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    I am at a loss.
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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Dead,

    Did you check the Connector Air Relief Tube?
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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Quote Originally Posted by CNJ_EC View Post
    Dead,
    Did you check the Connector Air Relief Tube?
    You mean the skinny tube that sucks air from the top of the filter? Has a screen on it? It was inserted and the collar locked. Nothing looked amiss.
    My Pool: 18'x36' Grecian. Vinyl Liner, 500# sand filter, SWG.

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Even though I've got a Hayward S244T and you've got that Pentair, I've got to think that any filter losing 1 or 2 cups of sand per backwash has got to have something wrong with it. Sometimes I might lose a teaspoon, sometimes none.

    Does rinsing for 30-60 seconds after backwashing make any difference in the amount of sand that gets back into the pool?

    Good luck!!!
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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Dead,

    It is a Triton II Series ... correct? The lat looks like it's from a TR100 series
    60' x 30' IG concrete pool built in 1998. 2 - 2" Suction Line( 2-Skimmers/2-Way Jandy Valve per line); 1 - 3" Suction Line (Floor Drain/ 2-Way Jandy Valve); 1 - 3" Return 8 Floor Outlets; 1 - Pentair IntelliFlo VS Prog Pump 240V/3HP (2013); 2 - Triton TR-140C Sand Filters Tandem Config (2013); 1 - In-line Chlorinator (2015). Misc - Pool Use: May to Sept; Turnovers: 2.5; Pump Operation: 23hrs

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Could be a hairline crack in the standpipe (or laterals)... some times, these types of crack are very hard to see - especially when everything is off and there is no pressure in the system. However, when the pump is running, the crack widens and could be causing the problem.

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    VikingPoolMan,

    This model doesn't have a standpipe ... it has a lower pipe assembly .. sort of a 90(to the lower lat) with a 12'' straight section of pipe to the outlet flange. But it could be a possibility! Good point!
    60' x 30' IG concrete pool built in 1998. 2 - 2" Suction Line( 2-Skimmers/2-Way Jandy Valve per line); 1 - 3" Suction Line (Floor Drain/ 2-Way Jandy Valve); 1 - 3" Return 8 Floor Outlets; 1 - Pentair IntelliFlo VS Prog Pump 240V/3HP (2013); 2 - Triton TR-140C Sand Filters Tandem Config (2013); 1 - In-line Chlorinator (2015). Misc - Pool Use: May to Sept; Turnovers: 2.5; Pump Operation: 23hrs

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Quote Originally Posted by CNJ_EC View Post
    It is a Triton II Series
    Yes, it is. I just grabbed that photo to show how my laterals were arranged.

    Quote Originally Posted by CUTiger78 View Post
    Does rinsing for 30-60 seconds after backwashing make any difference in the amount of sand that gets back into the pool?
    Doesn't appear to. In fact, nothing appears to change net sand in.

    Quote Originally Posted by CNJ_EC View Post
    sort of a 90(to the lower lat) with a 12'' straight section of pipe to the outlet flange. But it could be a possibility! Good point!
    Correct. Vertical about 8-10in, then right 90 to exit the filter housing. Top is a mirror image vertically, except with a diffuser hear instead of laterals.

    I guess I'm going to have to tear this thing apart again, gut it, and inspect all the pieces. Any suggestions for removing all the sand besides a coffee can? I'm tempted to take out the drain "filter" and wash it all into a wheelbarrow down below.
    My Pool: 18'x36' Grecian. Vinyl Liner, 500# sand filter, SWG.

    My hobbies: Brewing beer and flying rockets.

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Dead,

    Is it all sand or is the lower a combo of pea gravel & sand? My tandem tr104c have approx 650lbs of sand in the upper cav and 275lbs combo each in the lower lat area ... but I'm not using side of top multi-valves. I used a wet vac to the pea gravel and then scooped.
    Last edited by CNJ_EC; 07-05-2016 at 07:59 PM. Reason: Sand qty typo
    60' x 30' IG concrete pool built in 1998. 2 - 2" Suction Line( 2-Skimmers/2-Way Jandy Valve per line); 1 - 3" Suction Line (Floor Drain/ 2-Way Jandy Valve); 1 - 3" Return 8 Floor Outlets; 1 - Pentair IntelliFlo VS Prog Pump 240V/3HP (2013); 2 - Triton TR-140C Sand Filters Tandem Config (2013); 1 - In-line Chlorinator (2015). Misc - Pool Use: May to Sept; Turnovers: 2.5; Pump Operation: 23hrs

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    All sand.
    My Pool: 18'x36' Grecian. Vinyl Liner, 500# sand filter, SWG.

    My hobbies: Brewing beer and flying rockets.

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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    Dead,

    My numbers were 650lbs sand & 250 pea gravel.

    My sand was about 3+ yrs old. The primary problem was black sludge occasionally on the return when my VS pump was in cleaning mode and high pressure(25PSI) most or the time ... both issues caused by channeling. Backwashing didn't help so rather than waste time on so called cleaning "tips", I decided to dump it and start anew. My Upper 4 diffusers cleaned off nicely with no problems but the 4 lower lats had a thick layer of sludge so I just replaced them.

    I have a 2" drain but it was taking for ever to drain. I wasn't going to reuse any of sand/pea ... so after 30 min ..... I got my 2 wet vac out and the sand was out of both tanks in about 2hrs. Scooped some of the gravel, then removed the sand drain and hosed the remainder out. If you can use the drain ...make yourself a single or double wire rake to help pull to sand out. Once you get to the half-way point ... the remaining sand will run out quickly.

    If you have to remove the lower assembly ... take your time removing the flange & flange adapter - you don't want to damage the filter's shell. You might want to have a Var Spd Dremel handy just in case you have to slice the ID of the lower assembly pipe. Mine are different - tandem plumbing kit attaches to the filters inlet/outlet port with unions. A little pressure with the pipe strap and they spin right off.

    Oh ... decided to stay with the pea gravel and sand ... no leaks or sand ... and my pressure is steady at 8 PSI. When you add the sand back .... follow the procedures carefully so as not to load down the unsupported Lat & pipe assembly.

    Good Luck!
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    Re: Filter sand in pool

    I was definitely very careful not to load down the lateral assembly. I added about 10 inches of water then slowly add it sand until it's well covered.
    My Pool: 18'x36' Grecian. Vinyl Liner, 500# sand filter, SWG.

    My hobbies: Brewing beer and flying rockets.

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