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    Major TA & Ph troubles



    We had very high ta for quite a while and brought it down using acid. However now our numbers are showing no ta (test didnt even turn green todsy! It was RED) and no pH and basically no chlorine as of this morning. While the pool looks crystal clear I am very concerned about what it's happening. I'm not sure where to start noe and what to add first to try to bring my numbers back into a safe range.

    We do not use borax because are dogs are frequently in the pool. I believe someone told me to stay away from borax with the dogs swimming and drinking the water occasionally.

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    I returned to town late last night and these readings were taken at 2:00am:
    FC-3
    CC- 1
    TC4
    Ph 6.8
    TA 60

    Because my pH was low I added my citric acid to clear up my metal staining. Then this morning, I have basically nothing left as far as chemicals.

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    It sounds like your PH crashed, although not sure why. There had to be some input that caused it to drop so much. How are you chlorinating the pool? With SWG? You probably want to keep your TA at 50 to 60 if your PH is fairly stable at that level.

    Is 60 the most recent test? Or was TA 60 last night and 0 this morning?

    If it is 0 right now increase PH to 7.5 right away. Pump running and brush and test PH and TA in 15 minutes. If TA doesn't come up then raise it to 50 with baking soda.

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Using Washing soda will raise both your pH and your TA. Use the PoolMath to find out how much you need.

    What is your CYA?
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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Thank you both for your responses!

    I have pH Up, pH Down, stabilizer, and ph protect on hand.
    I may also have some A & H Baking soda.

    Yes, we chlorinate with a salt water generator.

    Could it have been the citric acid for the staining that made the pH crash?

    The numbers were from this past night(July 4th)during the night.(2:00am)

    Today the test numbers look like the second posting with the rapid chlorine and ph test block. My ph number has never turned a true yellow before today! The TA test turned RED today!

    Is the washing soda ok for if the dogs get in to swim and/or drink the pool water?

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    As for the cya- July 1st it was 50. I need to order more Reagent.

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Yes, the citric acid could have pushed it down.
    Yes, the washing soda will be fine for the dogs (and the people)
    If you don't have washing soda on hand use the PH up right now to raise the PH to 7.2 asap. It may take a few additions to get there. You can adjust TA with baking soda later.

    What are the ingredients in PH protect?
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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Okay I just added pH Up. The pH protect is simply sodium hydrogen carbonate. I believe it's like overpriced baking soda maybe?

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Yes, it is overpriced baking soda.

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    So, I've added the ph up several times and used the jets to aerate and the ph is barely showing on the ph color block. It is close to 6.8 but not going up very quickly. The TA however seems to be increasing slowly. When we read our TA the reading switches from the green to a purpley type color which we always called the "red" that we were seeking. Does that sound ok? It isn't a true red but I thought you I read that it was the color shift that we were supposed to watch for. Thank you so much for the advice and help today! Hopefully we are almost there!

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by pooldv View Post
    Yes, it is overpriced baking soda.

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    I thought so.

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Ok, good, keep going. More details here on the TA test, and all of them.
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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by pooldv View Post
    Ok, good, keep going. More details here on the TA test, and all of them.
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    Pool dv,
    Great! I'll press on. I reviewed your shared links- thank you!! This has been a hard year for us pool-wise, even harder (more challenging) than our first year as pool owners! Perhaps we became too comfortable.
    Thank you again. I'll get back at it in the morning and hopefully get the kids swimming again soon! ☺

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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Once that PH is up to 7.2 they should be fine to swim.

    It is safe to swim when
    FC is above minimum and up to shock level for your CYA, FC/CYA Chart
    PH is between 7.2 and 7.8
    and the water is clear
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    Re: Major TA & Ph troubles

    Great! Thank you so very much for all your time and advice. I think we are on our way. 👍

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