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    New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Long time lurker, first time pool owner.
    Have been reading this site and pool school for about a week, I love all the info and appreciate it the knowledge base.

    My Ph went down when I added CYA yesterday (calculated for 50ppm) via the "sock method". I only have the HTH 3 Way test kit.

    Pool School says I have 3500 Gallons in my 14 X 42 Intex Ultra Frame.

    CL:4
    PH: 6.8

    I can aerate and add baking soda (?) to raise PH, but without knowing the TA how much baking soda do I add?
    The pool has been up 3 days and water is clear.
    The CYA in the sock was massaged and placed in front of the outlet, checked it earlier and it is almost all gone.

    I am following the guidelines for smaller pools as per this site.
    I will upgrade to the HTH 6-way test in a few days and I have the 2500gph pump from Amazon arriving in about 2 days along with the plunger valves and upgraded inlet and outlets.

    Thank you everyone for reading this and all of your helpful suggestions.
    I love the site and the community here.
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Welcome to TFP

    You have been reading, great job..

    You can raise the PH by using 20 mule team in the laundry isle from walmart without moving TA or knowing what your TA is

    Use poolmath to find how much Borax (20 mule team) to add

    I hope this helps
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Borax raises both PH and TA. The only way to raise PH without also raising TA is aeration.
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Thank you so very much...I'm reading and reading posts and pool school. I'll go get the Borax and report back the results.
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Once I add the borax, how long should I wait to retest?
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    30 to 60 minutes with pump on high should do
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    The pool you have in your signature is about 4000 gallons (14' x 42"). To raise pH from 6.8 to 7.4 you need to add about 40 oz of Borax. THIS WILL ALSO RAISE YOUR TA BY 20.

    You can raise the PH by using 20 mule team in the laundry isle from walmart without moving TA or knowing what your TA is
    This statement is NOT correct.
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Quote Originally Posted by cubsno1 View Post
    The pool you have in your signature is about 4000 gallons (14' x 42"). To raise pH from 6.8 to 7.4 you need to add about 40 oz of Borax. THIS WILL ALSO RAISE YOUR TA BY 20.



    This statement is NOT correct.
    Thank you for catching that, I meant to say without knowing you TA, but I forgot to go back and backspace, can I get a backspace anyone
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Well folks, Ph is now at a comfortable 7.5 after adding 10tsp of Borax as per Pool Calculator.

    What's the optimal CL Level? My cheap Wally World test only goes to 5...

    Thank you to everyone that reads this.
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Also, would it be ok to add pool salt to water and how much for 4000 gallons?
    (I'm not sure how to enter the units for salt into pool math calc.)
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    are you just adding salt for water feel, if so, just put 0 for now and 1500 for target

    the kit you have only goes to 5 but with 50 CYA you need your FC at 6 every day and that needs to be your target for chlorine/bleach.. are you still getting the 6 way test? never let your FC fall below 4

    I hope this helps
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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Quote Originally Posted by draculeos View Post
    Long time lurker, first time pool owner.
    Have been reading this site and pool school for about a week, I love all the info and appreciate it the knowledge base.

    My Ph went down when I added CYA yesterday (calculated for 50ppm) via the "sock method". I only have the HTH 3 Way test kit.

    Pool School says I have 3500 Gallons in my 14 X 42 Intex Ultra Frame.

    CL:4
    PH: 6.8

    I can aerate and add baking soda (?) to raise PH, but without knowing the TA how much baking soda do I add?
    The pool has been up 3 days and water is clear.
    The CYA in the sock was massaged and placed in front of the outlet, checked it earlier and it is almost all gone.

    I am following the guidelines for smaller pools as per this site.
    I will upgrade to the HTH 6-way test in a few days and I have the 2500gph pump from Amazon arriving in about 2 days along with the plunger valves and upgraded inlet and outlets.

    Thank you everyone for reading this and all of your helpful suggestions.
    I love the site and the community here.
    Welcome!

    IMHO, take the money for the HTH kit, and use it towards a TF-100 Test Kit. With the TF-100 you get a FAS/DPD Chlorine test good & accurate up to 50ppm that is drop based (no color matching). You also get a CYA standard solution to help understand how to properly do the CYA test, and all the needed reagents to properly test for FC, CC, PH, TA, CH & CYA. As you know from reading this site, understanding your CYA level & maintaining the correct FC ratio is the 'secret to our success'.

    The HTH kit will be useless if you ever want to do an OCLT, or if you develop algae & need to SLAM. Also as already mentioned, the standard OTO chlorine test is only good for up to 5ppm, no good for maintaining your current water chemistry.

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    Re: New Pool Owner - How to Raise Ph without knowing TA?

    Get the test kit. no way to know what is going on without it. If you have been reading for a week, you must have seen at least a few posts admonishing folks to get the test kit recommended by this site.

    the price is worth it, trust me! one trip to the pool store for chemicals you don't need is all it will cost you. Keep reading, get the kit and don't worry about TA for now, just keep your chlorine up.
    somewhere around 6,800 gal 18 x 4 foot round Intex Ultra Frame AG, finished filling August 29, 2013. toy pump w/ "A" cartridge up and running next day --- July 2015 upgraded to Krystal Clear 3000 GPH pump and 16" sand filter --- May 2016 Intex auto cleaner and in July salt system and Hayward skimmer

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