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    New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Hello everyone. We opened our pool last weekend, and my testing kit arrived today. I did all the tests, and the pool is a mess! Though, it is clear. lol

    Okay, here are the details...

    it's a 28ft octagon pool, aprox. 20,700 gallons, with a vinyl liner, sand filter.

    Free chlorine test... the test water never turned pink. When using a dip strip, it was completely white as well. So, 0 free chlorine. Never could get it pink, even after 6 dippers, so combined chlorine was 0 as well.

    pH, water was yellow, indicating less than 6. I had to give it 75 drops of base to get it to pH 7.4

    Alkalinity, I never got to add the second chemical, it was red with the first drop of 008.

    Calcium hardness, it took 8 drops, so 80ppm to turn blue

    Cyanuric acid, I only got up to the 1.8 measurement before the black dot disappeared.

    So.... what do I do first? What is the priority? Ack!!!

    Thanks for you help.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Hi!
    Which test kit are you using?

    I'm skeptical you ph is that low from tap water. Have you added anything since filling?
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    I'm using the TF-100

    Yes, things have been added. To clarify... we tried to open the pool 2 weeks ago, but it appeared we had a leak as it wouldn't stay filled. We put the cover back on and the pool store had him toss in some shock (don't know how much) until we could get it looked at. We got it taken care of and all was well. When we refilled, it stayed filled. That was last week.

    My husband isn't wanting me to do TFP method, and keeps going to the pool store. He added 1/2qt of Majestic Blue and 1 bottle (96oz) of 6% bleach.

    I finally convinced him to just let me have a go at it, so I'm hoping I can get this all figured out and prove him wrong.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    For Cya are you saying the dot disappeared with very little water? Is the water cloudy in general?

    30K? gal (20x40, 3ft shallow to 8-9ft hopper), Vinyl IG, single speed 1HP pump, Hayward Micro Clear DE-3600 filter, Hayward Aqua Rite SWG T15 Cell, Rheem/Raypack M206A heater

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    Yes, that's what I'm saying. The water in the pool is clear, but I lost the dot in the test kit before it even got up the the cya lines.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Well here's to your go, woo hoo! You will make a believer out of him soon. How long has the water been in the pool (rough guess)? You are using the K-2006 right?

    Please confirm these are your numbers (and post like this in the future):
    FC - 0
    CC - 0
    pH - <6, took 74 drops to get to 7.4
    TA - ?, red upon addition of first reagent
    CH - 80
    CYA - "?, only got up to the 1.8 measurement before the black dot disappeared"
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by kypovan View Post
    Yes, that's what I'm saying. The water in the pool is clear, but I lost the dot in the test kit before it even got up the the cya lines.
    Try the test with dilution. 50% pool water 50% tap.

    Most likely you'll need to replace some water.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Okay, I will try that and come right back with the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pool Tool View Post
    Well here's to your go, woo hoo! You will make a believer out of him soon. How long has the water been in the pool (rough guess)? You are using the K-2006 right?

    Please confirm these are your numbers (and post like this in the future):
    FC - 0
    CC - 0
    pH - <6, took 74 drops to get to 7.4
    TA - ?, red upon addition of first reagent
    CH - 80
    CYA - "?, only got up to the 1.8 measurement before the black dot disappeared"
    Yes, that is correct. I'm not sure how long the water has been in the pool. We bought the house 1 year ago, and we fumbled through the season with the pool store. It was filled and open when we purchased. We had the store close it. We added water 2 weeks ago (which we lost down the drain), then again 1 week ago. We added about 6-8"? Not sure how much water that would be.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Oops, Yes, the K-2006, not the TF-100 test kit.

    Okay, I did the diluted test. Halfway up to the 7 with pool water, all the way to 7 with tap water. Added the reagent, mixed for 30 seconds, put it slowly into the small compartment. Now the black dot disappears just before the water level gets to the CYA printed on the side. So, about halfway to the 100. And I know the dip strips aren't the best testers, but on it, it says the CYA is between 30-50. So.... am I just doing the test wrong?
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    You will definitely prove him wrong. I was pretty intimidated when we got our pool installed and was not looking forward to the expense of chemicals. Luckily I found this site before I used up my first bucket of pucks. The Trouble Free Method takes a little bit of time every day or two but you will save so much time and money in the long run!
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by kypovan View Post
    Oops, Yes, the K-2006, not the TF-100 test kit.

    Okay, I did the diluted test. Halfway up to the 7 with pool water, all the way to 7 with tap water. Added the reagent, mixed for 30 seconds, put it slowly into the small compartment. Now the black dot disappears just before the water level gets to the CYA printed on the side. So, about halfway to the 100. And I know the dip strips aren't the best testers, but on it, it says the CYA is between 30-50. So.... am I just doing the test wrong?
    It's entirely possible your CYA is that high. Since you did the 50.50 I'd even try a 25/75. 1 part pool water to 3 parts tap.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by ckk81 View Post
    It's entirely possible your CYA is that high. Since you did the 50.50 I'd even try a 25/75. 1 part pool water to 3 parts tap.
    Okay, I'll go do that and report back.
    Wendy
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Using the 25/75 method, the level was 65. So, I would multiply by 4? Meaning my number is 260?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kypovan View Post
    Using the 25/75 method, the level was 65. So, I would multiply by 4? Meaning my number is 260?!
    Yep, curious what number the pool store gave your husband. For CYA 260 you're really going to need almost all new water.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    It seems, from reading, that I really need to drain and replenish the water. Correct? With a vinyl liner, I need to make sure the water stays at least 2 feet in the shallow end. It's only 3 feet in the shallow end, so does that mean I should drain 1 foot, 5 or 6 times? It's 3 feet on the shallow end, 6 feet on the deep. In the meantime... what else? Dump a bunch of bleach and baking soda for now? Or not worry about that until I get CYA under control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckk81 View Post
    Yep, curious what number the pool store gave your husband. For CYA 260 you're really going to need almost all new water.

    They never gave him a number. He never took water in to be tested. Grrr
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by kypovan View Post
    It seems, from reading, that I really need to drain and replenish the water. Correct? With a vinyl liner, I need to make sure the water stays at least 2 feet in the shallow end. It's only 3 feet in the shallow end, so does that mean I should drain 1 foot, 5 or 6 times? It's 3 feet on the shallow end, 6 feet on the deep. In the meantime... what else? Dump a bunch of bleach and baking soda for now? Or not worry about that until I get CYA under control?

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    They never gave him a number. He never took water in to be tested. Grrr
    I hate to say this, but take a sample to the store and see what they say for CYA. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING. DON'T TAKE ANY MONEY OR OTHER METHOD OF PAYMENT. The number they give you should be some small bit of confirmation your CYA is sky high, but not more.

    You should be able to drain down to one foot in the shallow end with no problem, but if you want to play it safe two feet is fine. You can do some math to see how many gallons each foot of depth holds.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Thank you CK. I will run out and get it tested and see.... and really take no form of money, so I can't lie when I say I can't. But...they give us stuff on faith all the time, and tell us to pay them later. Guess I'll just have to stick to my guns and say I only want the test right now. But, I will start draining now anyway.
    Wendy
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    You're getting sound advice. But personally, if it were me, I wouldn't waste my time wasting gas with the pool store CYA test. That's one they notoriously get wrong anyways, if not from poor handling then from inadequate lighting. You already have one of the best kits out there, so trust yourself. That's the whole point of TFP ... helping you to be in control. You already know you need to exchange a lot of water, so just go ahead and do it now. Always keep at least 12" of water in the pool and/or never go below the lowest step. When in doubt, leave a little more to protect the integrity of your pool structure/liner. Once you refill, test CYA again (diluted if necessary) then tell us where you're at. If your CYA is still over 80/90 after a water exchange, you know you need to do it again. Ideally, in your area, I would think a CYA of about 40-50 would serve you well with no SWG. But definitely get the CYA down under 60 if you can.
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Thank you Texas. Now....to figure out how to drain my pool that has no floor drain....
    Wendy
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    Re: New owner, just opened pool. Help!

    Ugh. Yeah, I only have a poolside skimmer myself. Some folks may drop a submersible pump in there. You can buy or rent them fairly cheap at many local hardware stores.
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