Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time)!!

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    129

    Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time)!!

    Hi guys,

    On Monday (June 20th), I am getting a new liner installed. This is my first pool and I have never managed a pool before.

    I have ordered a K-2006 test kit (after reading pool school), but it will not arrive for another week or 2 (being in Canada SUCKS). How long will it take to fill my pool with a single hose?

    What do I do once it is filled with water? I have a new gas heater and SWG (both not installed). Should I throw in some bleach, or just the salt..or both? If so, when do I throw the salt in?

    I am kind of panicking as I do not want my new water to turn green right away!! Also, am I SOL without a test kit until then?

    Some steps for a newbie would be great.
    16x34 In-ground vinyl pool (22,000ish gallons), Sand Filter, K-2006 test kit, SWG

  2. Back To Top    #2
    borjis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Pacific NW
    Posts
    2,050

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    all depends on your water flow...do have really high water pressure?

    If so I suspect somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 hours to fill.

    I have the same size pool but less than half the gallons and it took 15 hours with high pressure.

    Once filled, I'd dump 2 gallons of bleach in right away and get some CYA in there.
    16x32 IG Vinyl, 13,000 Gals. Hayward S-244T sand filter, SP2810X15 pump
    (1.5 HP motor) Raypak PR266AEN (266k btu) gas heater. TF-100 Test Kit.
    Dolphin E10 Cleaning Robot.

  3. Back To Top    #3

    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    129

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    Quote Originally Posted by borjis View Post
    all depends on your water flow...do have really high water pressure?

    If so I suspect somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 hours to fill.

    I have the same size pool but less than half the gallons and it took 15 hours with high pressure.

    Once filled, I'd dump 2 gallons of bleach in right away and get some CYA in there.
    Thanks..will do.

    Also, CYA? Where can I get that, and how much do I put in?
    16x34 In-ground vinyl pool (22,000ish gallons), Sand Filter, K-2006 test kit, SWG

  4. Back To Top    #4
    Mod Squad JVTrain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Central Minnesota
    Posts
    5,079

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    With a single garden hose.... you're likely to get about 20 gallons per minute on up to a 50 foot hose. Probably a full 24 hours of filling at least.

    You'll need CYA and some chlorine to start for sure, as well as your salt. First priority is to get some CYA dissolving in the water and some FC. Use Pool Math: http://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html to figure out how much CYA to get to 40 ppm at least to start. It'll be quite a lot. Eventually you'll want your CYA to be up at 60-70 for a SWG pool, but start at 40 ppm CYA and work up. Your new water will have 0 CYA, so it's easy to keep track of how much you've added and what you should have for a level once it all dissolves.

    I would add a half gallon of bleach when the pool is half way full, and then the rest of the gallon when it's full. That will keep anything from growing right away. Get the pool circulating, make sure it's not leaking, then put your CYA in some socks (you'll need several) and suspend them in front of returns and or in the skimmers. You can add up to a gallon a day of bleach until your kit arrives, but you're going to need reliable testing for FC and pH very soon after filling.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by crocop View Post
    Thanks..will do.

    Also, CYA? Where can I get that, and how much do I put in?
    You can get it at many places today. Pool stores will have it. Get the granular kind as it's cheaper. If you go in the pool store, beware of them trying to sell you a start up kit if your mention refilling. Don't buy it. Just get your CYA and get out. Or... if you have a WalMart or Home Depot or other similar store, they may have pool chemicals in their own section of the pool. Most of them have CYA for sale as well.
    Joel - TFP Moderator - Minnesota - **Become a TFP Supporter!** Helpful Links: ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry - SLAM Procedure - Chlorine/CYA Chart
    40x20 Pool: 32K Gallons * Vinyl * Bleach Chlorination * Hayward S270T Sand Filter * Pentair SuperFlo 1 HP * Teledyne/Laars Heater * AquaVac Tigershark * TF-100 w/ SpeedStir
    Isolated Spa - 345 Gallons

  5. Back To Top    #5

    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    129

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    Quote Originally Posted by JVTrain View Post
    With a single garden hose.... you're likely to get about 20 gallons per minute on up to a 50 foot hose. Probably a full 24 hours of filling at least.

    You'll need CYA and some chlorine to start for sure, as well as your salt. First priority is to get some CYA dissolving in the water and some FC. Use Pool Math: http://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html to figure out how much CYA to get to 40 ppm at least to start. It'll be quite a lot. Eventually you'll want your CYA to be up at 60-70 for a SWG pool, but start at 40 ppm CYA and work up. Your new water will have 0 CYA, so it's easy to keep track of how much you've added and what you should have for a level once it all dissolves.

    I would add a half gallon of bleach when the pool is half way full, and then the rest of the gallon when it's full. That will keep anything from growing right away. Get the pool circulating, make sure it's not leaking, then put your CYA in some socks (you'll need several) and suspend them in front of returns and or in the skimmers. You can add up to a gallon a day of bleach until your kit arrives, but you're going to need reliable testing for FC and pH very soon after filling.

    - - - Updated - - -



    You can get it at many places today. Pool stores will have it. Get the granular kind as it's cheaper. If you go in the pool store, beware of them trying to sell you a start up kit if your mention refilling. Don't buy it. Just get your CYA and get out. Or... if you have a WalMart or Home Depot or other similar store, they may have pool chemicals in their own section of the pool. Most of them have CYA for sale as well.
    This is great. Thank you...

    As you stated, yes, the "start up" kit was already offered to me several times, and I have turned it down. I plan to just use this forum as my main resources as I learn and figure this stuff out.

    So I should not dump in my salt until the SWG is installed and running?
    16x34 In-ground vinyl pool (22,000ish gallons), Sand Filter, K-2006 test kit, SWG

  6. Back To Top    #6
    Mod Squad JVTrain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Central Minnesota
    Posts
    5,079

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    Once you get everything filled, just maintain FC with bleach until you get your test kit.

    Then post a full list of test results here, then we can worry about salt. You're going to need about 900 or more pounds of salt, depending on the recommended salt level ppm for your SWG. Do you know what that is? I would get the salt ordered or purchased. Again, many big box stores will have pool salt cheaper than pool stores. Just make sure it's pool salt. Use Pool Math to tell you how much salt, assuming you'll start at 0.
    Joel - TFP Moderator - Minnesota - **Become a TFP Supporter!** Helpful Links: ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry - SLAM Procedure - Chlorine/CYA Chart
    40x20 Pool: 32K Gallons * Vinyl * Bleach Chlorination * Hayward S270T Sand Filter * Pentair SuperFlo 1 HP * Teledyne/Laars Heater * AquaVac Tigershark * TF-100 w/ SpeedStir
    Isolated Spa - 345 Gallons

  7. Back To Top    #7

    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    129

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    Quote Originally Posted by JVTrain View Post
    Once you get everything filled, just maintain FC with bleach until you get your test kit.

    Then post a full list of test results here, then we can worry about salt. You're going to need about 900 or more pounds of salt, depending on the recommended salt level ppm for your SWG. Do you know what that is? I would get the salt ordered or purchased. Again, many big box stores will have pool salt cheaper than pool stores. Just make sure it's pool salt. Use Pool Math to tell you how much salt, assuming you'll start at 0.
    Thanks, will maintain with bleach.

    I bought the Zodiac Auqapure EI. Got a good deal on it.

    I already bought 12 bags of 20KG of salt (from home depot), that is what the pool store recommended. With my bad in head math, that's like 550 pounds. 900 pounds seems like a lot, but I could get some more.
    16x34 In-ground vinyl pool (22,000ish gallons), Sand Filter, K-2006 test kit, SWG

  8. Back To Top    #8
    ckk81's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Kalamazoo MI
    Posts
    232

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    How did you come to 34K gallons? For a 16*32 you'd have to be 9ft deep all the way. How deep is your pool? If it truly is 34K 900lbs of salt is about right, double check on pool math. To see how fast your hose goes time filling a 5 gallon (20 liter?) bucket and do some math. Also take a sample of your municipal water to a pool store that will check for iron and copper content, but make sure you're prepared to run away from any chemical sales pitches.
    30K? gal (20x40, 3ft shallow to 8-9ft hopper), Vinyl IG, single speed 1HP pump, Hayward Micro Clear DE-3600 filter, Hayward Aqua Rite SWG T15 Cell, Rheem/Raypack M206A heater

  9. Back To Top    #9
    ckk81's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Kalamazoo MI
    Posts
    232

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    You may also want to consider getting water delivered.
    30K? gal (20x40, 3ft shallow to 8-9ft hopper), Vinyl IG, single speed 1HP pump, Hayward Micro Clear DE-3600 filter, Hayward Aqua Rite SWG T15 Cell, Rheem/Raypack M206A heater

  10. Back To Top    #10

    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    129

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    Quote Originally Posted by ckk81 View Post
    How did you come to 34K gallons? For a 16*32 you'd have to be 9ft deep all the way. How deep is your pool? If it truly is 34K 900lbs of salt is about right, double check on pool math. To see how fast your hose goes time filling a 5 gallon (20 liter?) bucket and do some math. Also take a sample of your municipal water to a pool store that will check for iron and copper content, but make sure you're prepared to run away from any chemical sales pitches.
    HAHA sorry! I did not read the calculator, just put 9 feet depth, when it fact that's only the deep end. LOL. Will update my sig now.

    This is how much of a newbie I am lol
    16x34 In-ground vinyl pool (22,000ish gallons), Sand Filter, K-2006 test kit, SWG

  11. Back To Top    #11
    ckk81's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Kalamazoo MI
    Posts
    232

    Re: Getting a new liner on Monday..How long to fill it? What do I do then (first time

    That's ok. Last year pool math told me to put 150lbs of stabilizer in. Until someone here pointed out to me I was using a pool volume of 300K instead of 30K.

    And the good news is we just cut your fill time nearly in half!
    30K? gal (20x40, 3ft shallow to 8-9ft hopper), Vinyl IG, single speed 1HP pump, Hayward Micro Clear DE-3600 filter, Hayward Aqua Rite SWG T15 Cell, Rheem/Raypack M206A heater

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •