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    New Here- Air In Pump!

    Hello,

    First time poster here and very excited to find this forum.

    Pool was running great overnight with suction cleaner and woke up to find cleaner not running with bubbles all in pool! (Air coming out of return line every 2 or 3 second)

    The strainer basket now has air in it when the valve is fully open, but when i close it a bit the pump primes fine but when I plug in the suction cleaner it loses prime immediately and almost becomes empty of water with zero pressure.

    I have a brand new strainer gasket as well as top and have checked the pumps plug and all look fine. Also there are no visible leaks anywhere when i try the towel test as well as water hose test?


    I am afraid I have a suction leak under the 3 feet of concrete by the skimmer...........Any advice would be great!

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Welcome!

    The key phrase is "when I plug in the suction cleaner it loses prime immediately".

    That says there's something wrong with the suction hose or the connection or the valve to it. Which valve are you closing a bit to let the pump prime? The one that splits suction between the cleaner and the skimmer?

    If you can prime and run fine with full skimmer and no cleaner, then you can eliminate the pump and skimmer section and concentrate on the rest. A picture of your equipment pad and a little better description of the problem will help us help you isolate the air leak. Posting Photo's Tutorial
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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    My pool is original to the house in 1954 so I only have the Skimmer which connects directly to the pump with a shut off valve right before the pump.

    I attach the suction cleaner to the bottom of the skimmer and it immediately loses prime.(The suction hose is brand new and works for 2 seconds when pump is turned on then quits)

    Also when i open the valve all the way open there are bubbles in the pump. Also not sure if this matters but the drain is sealed off as well.

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighaw View Post
    My pool is original to the house in 1954 so I only have the Skimmer which connects directly to the pump with a shut off valve right before the pump.

    I attach the suction cleaner to the bottom of the skimmer and it immediately loses prime.(The suction hose is brand new and works for 2 seconds when pump is turned on then quits)

    Also when i open the valve all the way open there are bubbles in the pump. Also not sure if this matters but the drain is sealed off as well.
    When the skimmer valve is open wide and you see bubbles in the pump basket, do you also see a vortex in the skimmer? Or is there a loud sucking sound almost like a toilet flushing?

    It sounds like two problems: Low water and a leaking cleaner hose.
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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    It just looks like a big churning honestly. The pool level is very high right now since i thought that might be the case as well.

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    The thing that puzzles me is why is there air in pump when valve is fully open but not @ 3/4 open...

    I greatly appreciate your help.

    Also when I turn pump off and back on the return dumps a large amount of air

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    I think I can confirm its not the hose as well. Just tried neighbors who used his early and same process happens. Good suction for 2 or 3 seconds then its gone and water in pump decreases immensely

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Could be a big air leak at the valve, then. And only in certain positions. Coat the stem area with shaving cream. See if it gets drawn in. You might see foam in the pump or even out the returns, too.
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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Will try that, I greatly appreciate it!

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Unfortunately still not luck....does this mean the issue could be under the cement?

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighaw View Post
    Unfortunately still not luck....does this mean the issue could be under the cement?
    Possibly, yes. But above the pool water level, otherwise you wouldn't be sucking air in, you'd be leaking water out.
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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    The line from the skimmer to the pump is below water level.....Im glad you said that, that means it has to been some of the exposed PVC correct?

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    Is it possible that the pump itself is making the issue? Thats the only other possibility I can think of?

    I was really hoping the shaving cream would should be where the air leak was...

    Once again i really appreciate your help here!

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Where do you connect the suction cleaner exactly?
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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    To the bottom of the skimmer (where it pulls water to the pump)

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    What I am still stuck on is when the valve is fully open it has air in pump but at 3/4 open it primes. That means it has to be the valve that is the issue you would think, but even when its primed and you plug the suction cleaner to the skimmer it loses prime after 1 or 2 seconds

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Is it possible when you think it's wide open it's fully closed? The handle is on the opposite side of the plate inside.
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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    I tested that as well... with the pump off and lid open i turned the valve off and on.


    Does connecting a suction cleaner cause the pressure to increase which would make more air pull in through a potential leak?

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighaw View Post
    I tested that as well... with the pump off and lid open i turned the valve off and on.


    Does connecting a suction cleaner cause the pressure to increase which would make more air pull in through a potential leak?
    Yes. Well, almost. On the suction side it would be a decrease in pressure, more commonly known as more suction.

    If you have flex PVC or PEX pipes, they can collapse.
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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    I appreciate the help Richard, do you recommend me just trying to replace the valve since this is the only thing that really makes sense at this point?

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    Re: New Here- Air In Pump!

    Quote Originally Posted by Knighaw View Post
    I appreciate the help Richard, do you recommend me just trying to replace the valve since this is the only thing that really makes sense at this point?
    No. Not unless you're sure that is where the leak is.

    Get the thing to where it's sucking air again and coat the whole things with shaving cream, even all the plumbing joints. Something should draw it in.
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