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    Phosphate problem

    Hello. This is my first post here but have been reading threads over the past few weeks and found things to be very helpful. Pool was installed last year and I never had one before. So this is all new to me.
    My pool was perfect last week. Had a party over the weekend and a big storm sun into Monday. My pool is now green. Pool store tested last week and was fine. Now they are telling me it is dangerous and phosphates are over 3800. Sold me $200 of chemicals and said I had to have someone come in and vac to waste. I don't know what this is. Is it something I can do?? Why does it seem like this is going to cost a fortune. Please help.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Welcome to TFP!

    The pool store is full of it. You can safely ignore phosphates in your pool. So, you've been "pool stored".

    So, please read up in Pool School at the top right of this page. One section you need to read soon is How to SLAM
    Pool School - SLAM - Shock Level And Maintain

    You are going to need a good test kit, I recommend the TF-100.
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    Please enter the specifics of your pool in your signature line. Or in a post at least for now so we know what we are dealing with.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Thank you. It is a 20k gallon free form pool. With a stay rite filter and variable speed pump and salt generator. It was built last year.

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    Re: Phosphate problem

    It's not even that green. Just a shade of green and a touch cloudy

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    Re: Phosphate problem

    I feel very ignorant to this pool thing. I know there is a learning curve, but I want to get it right. The "pool guy" told me that phosphates are caused by chemical spraying in my area and this change is dangerous and needs to be fixed. What is the point of the phosphate level test? Just for them to make money?

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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Algae feed on phosphates, so yes if you have a lot, any algae that is there may grow even faster.

    At tfp, we keep the chlorine level constantly sufficient that algae never grow and thus phos level is irrelevant. Expensive to treat and one more variablethan you need.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    This is what my pool looks like right now

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    This is what my pool looks like right now
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Did you decide on a test kit yet?
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Im going up to pool store and see what they have. Hoping they have the TF100
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    It's very unlikely. They may have an equivalent to the Taylor K-2005, but that's probably about it. You want to ask or look for a FAS-DPD test kit (powder & drops) and seen HERE.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    The TF-100 is only sold at tftestkits.net and poolsupplyworld.com and recently Amazon at a higher price point to account of extra costs.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Yes, I saw that. Want to get this corrected asap.Kids need the pool and want to correct asap.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    It should not take too long to correct, but you need a kit able to test FC high enough to perform the SLAM procedure. If you are EXTREMELY lucky, they may have the K2006, but it's rare. DO NOT let them talk you into the K2005, it is not the same as it is missing the key piece you need.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Oh well. They had garbage. I just ordered from tftestkits.net. Can anyone help me with the numbers I have?
    Free Chlorine - 0.01
    Total Chlorine - 0.04
    Combined - 0.03
    Cyanuric Acid - 2
    Borate - over 72
    Phosphate - 3816

    This are all the bad readings from pool store test. I currently have 6 bags of shock and swim, 5 bottles of phosaway and 1 bottle of superfloc.

    What do you guys think I should do?

    Thanks again,

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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Yes, we can help.

    You really need to read up on Pool School. ABC's of Water Chemistry, and SLAM procedures. Reading about the Pool Math application will be good too, because that is what will help you know how much of what chemicals to add.

    Another thing, please update your signature line with your pool specifics. At least post something here soon, because we have no idea how much chlorine to tell you to add. You also didn't add a CYA (stabilizer) number, so that also makes it impossible to know what to tell you regarding chlorine volume.

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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Those numbers are irrelevant.

    Anything that can test to the hundredth of a part per million is just guessing.

    The BIGGEST issue is how much stabilizer is in your water, and no pool store in existence will give you that number because they want you to have it out of whack. That way, they can sell you useless potions for $200 that do nothing.

    Best guess right now is for you to pour a gallon of bleach into the pool every day until the test kit comes in. That will keep your FC up enough to keep it from becoming a total disaster.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Whatever you do Joe, do NOT add the pool store chemicals. Big no-no. Have you (or anyone else) ever added stabilizer/conditioner to the water yet? That would be good to know. If not, we can at least help you with that. The other numbers are for the most part worthless. We would be curious about pH and TA though.
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    Re: Phosphate problem

    Oh yeah, return all the unopened stuff!
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