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    Converting to SWG today

    I'm new to here but was reading all your tips on TFP last year and decided this was the way I wanted to go as we suffered algae on and off last year and very high CYA using chlorine tablets and powered shock. Currently I am waiting for my TF100 test kit to be placed on my door mat (it's at my local post office as I type very excited about that!!). We opened on Saturday to start getting it clean and ready for the SWG to be fitted. The only thing I have done so far chemically wise is to raise ph and used bleach plus a couple of bags of shock I had left over as my CYA is usually very low as pool freezes in winter. It's clearing and just slightly cloudy in the deep end. My question is with starting the year on a SWG is it best to balance the pool ph, TA and CYA before throwing in the salt or after or during... I am not sure if there is an order I should be following and some gentle advice would be grateful. I have read pool school and SWG optimum levels but I can't seem to find anything for changing over and how best to achieve this.

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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Welcome. Your pool won't care when the salt is added, but your SWG will!~ Add it and circulate for 24 hours before firing that puppy up. PH is always the first concern. Make sure you have 70 to 80 CYA to make your SWG happy too. TA after everything else.
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Welcome to TFP

    Salt can be added now but before you raise CYA and balance for a SWG lets make sure you do not need to SLAM first

    Once you kit arrives do all the tests and post back so we can see where you are at..

    You said the pool is a little cloudy, do you have regular bleach or 10% liquid chlorine from WalMart? You may need to use this for a SLAM depending on your numbers to get your pool nice and ready for the SWG to take over its duties.. You will also need to keep some 10% around for stuff like pool parties, low FC level for whatever reason, you SWG is great at keeping your FC steady but not good at raising it, you will want to do that with the 10%, I usually get 3 at the store and just keep them around and when down to 1 gallon I will grab some more..

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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Here is a string from a recent startup discussing, hope it helps.

    TFP SWG Startup Guide
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Salt has gone in as per woodyp suggestion but held back a couple of bags just in case, The generator hasn't been fitted yet will be later today and my kit should be on the door step soon so before I turn on in 24 hours I will do my first set of readings and get my chemistry sorted. I am so excited about this test kit it's unreal! Watching for the postie will get back with my figures as soon as. Thanks guys your already making me feel less anxious about the whole thing.

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    My bleach is 8.25% have 2 in the garage but will be popping to Walmart a bit later to get in some 10%.
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Perfect Isn't it nice to be excited...
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Ok kit arrived... Happy Days

    ph 7.2
    FC 2
    CC 1
    TC 3
    CH 150
    TA 180
    CYA 75

    obviously I can see my TA is way too high and my ph is still a little low
    as I say pool is cloudy so assume I should slam it? Before turning the SWG on?
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Yep, you need to perform your SLAM before you turn on the SWG.

    You don't mention in your sig line if your pool is vinyl, fiberglass or plaster.
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    The SLAM is the only thing that you need to concentrate on for now.

    After the SLAM is complete then you can tweak in the other numbers.

    The pH is perfect to start the SLAM, use 80 for the CYA, and target 31 FC for the SLAM.

    Did you get the XL version added to the test kit?
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Great thank you ping

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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Congrats on the SWG and getting the best test kit available.

    For reference on desired levels here is our guide: Pool School - Recommended Levels

    What a fun summer you're in store for!

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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Quote Originally Posted by LINY View Post
    Great thank you ping

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    Good deal, I can ignore your CH then.
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Ping yes I did get the XL version sorry missed that earlier...

    slam is underway looking clearer already
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    2/3 ain't bad passed the CC below 0.5 only needed one drop and pool is crystal clear. My FC Dropped 5ppm over night... I miss counted yesterday dropped one bottle of 10% bleach too many ended up higher than I needed to be I figured it would be ok yesterday my FC ended up at 47ppm (nearer mustard algae level I believe!) this morning it's 42 still way above where I need to be FC 31 so no more bleach until I get back slightly under... Then as I was researching I realized I had messed up my CYA result as I did it inside and not outside with my back to the sun which means I may very well be a little lower on my CYA but still have enough to make it stable and I correct in my thinking? If my CYA turns out to be lower should I let my FC LEVEL drop to that level before adding (if needed) any more bleach?
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    i will post my outside cya test results in a while water is a little cold and sun isnt quite at the right angle yet
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Today's results are as follows

    FC 42
    CC <0.5
    TC 42.5
    ph 7.8
    TA 110
    CYA 70 (performed outside!)
    for more on my very high FC please read above!
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    Just brush the pool and don't test for anything other than FC and CC for now. The pH is not accurate when the FC is above 10. Target the FC at 28 from now on.
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    That's what I thought cheers ping
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    One note on the CYA, it should be done outdoors, sun, etc. but it has recently been noted that the water should be warmed to a min temp of about 70 deg F. You mentioned it being cold and I thought of that, maybe you adjusted for that already.
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    Re: Converting to SWG today

    I warmed it up to room temp before taking it outside second time round lesson learned. Thanks Pool Tool

    Had a set back pool pump is currently out of action, it's in hand, parts are coming it was leaking water badly so new seal plate, seal and assembly are on order... Just as it was going so well.
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