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    Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    Did our shopping around/get recommendations and chose the team to renovate our pool and spa. Sand blasting the layers of paint to put plaster down starts Monday.

    My wife and I discussed last night having them add a sun shelf. We love the idea, for both us and the kiddos. The builder is coming by with tile this weekend and we are going to discuss the addition of the shelf. We are curious as to how much we should expect to add to the cost of the work. (Yes, I know that the prices can be different depending on location)

    We are thinking roughly about 6 foot by 10 foot. it is a free form pool and would go in the shallow end.

    Thanks for any input!
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    In my heart, I'd wish it was $1,500. In my head, my estimate is $3-5K. Total non-expert opinion.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    My PB said an additional $10k-15k during remodel.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    an additional $10K?! wow.

    I really was hoping for the couple grand responses.

    Thanks all. I'll come back with the estimate for future references.

    Also, did you go with it? if not, do you wish you did?
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    Probably depends on if they want to do it or now. Some things are more trouble and they don't make much cash and introduce more challenges. If that is the case, the price might be higher than expected. If not, I would guess a few thousand.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    You're replastering, so I'm assuming you're sandblasting not only paint but plaster down to bare gunite. The shelf needs to be tied into the pool's structure to ensure that it doesn't shift and fracture the new plaster. That's an unpredictable cost (for those of us who are unable to be on-site) because it really depends on the existing conditions. RobbieH's numbers are not unrealistic.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    The pool builder told me that adding it would constitute structural changes, and this is why it would be so expensive. He went into more detail than that, but this was a couple of years ago and I don't remember any more than this.

    No, I did not do it, the replaster was already costing me $10,000, and unfortunately I didn't have $25,000 laying around, only $10,000.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    yes, we would sandblast down to the the bare gunite.

    We are not looking to change the shape of the pool, shelf would be in part of the existing shallow end. I do know that they would need to drill into the walls and floor to anchor rebar which would be expensive, but doubling the price of the work is not an option. Having injectors replaced on the boat right now, my wife is already ready to take my bank card from me.

    I'll know over the weekend and update.

    My 2 year old has been walking around the house in his life jacket telling me he needs to go swimming (except this morning, he needed to see the ocean and go fishing). Can't wait for the warm weather to get here for good!
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    That's exactly what we wanted to do, add a shelf and longer steps to existing shape.

    You know what they say about boats - boat owners are happy two times when they buy a boat. The day they buy it and the day they sell it.

    I grew up on the lake (that's a trouble-free pool by the way) and around boats, been around them most my life.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    Quote Originally Posted by drdrool View Post
    yes, we would sandblast down to the the bare gunite.

    We are not looking to change the shape of the pool, shelf would be in part of the existing shallow end. I do know that they would need to drill into the walls and floor to anchor rebar which would be expensive, but doubling the price of the work is not an option.
    It's partly increased labor cost as well as the unknown. The actual labor associated with the pool refinishing is shockingly trivial. It's a few hours to sandblast and clean and about 4 hours to replaster (gotta do it fast because it sets up fast). The labor associated with the build-out would be appreciably more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drdrool View Post
    yes, we would sandblast down to the the bare gunite.

    We are not looking to change the shape of the pool, shelf would be in part of the existing shallow end. I do know that they would need to drill into the walls and floor to anchor rebar which would be expensive, but doubling the price of the work is not an option.
    It's partly increased labor cost as well as the unknown. The actual labor associated with the pool refinishing is shockingly trivial. It's a few hours to sandblast and clean and about 4 hours to replaster (gotta do it fast because it sets up fast). The labor associated with the build-out would be appreciably more. And that's assuming everything is pristine when they expose the concrete. Cutting into the existing structure could present problems (the "unknown" part).
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    My replaster took days to complete. The replaster itself took over 8 hours. Party because I have a polished surface, not a rough pebble surface.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    I don't know if it helps any, because I know prices vary all over the place, but I put in a shelf that came off of the existing stairs. The shelf is wavy, around 6' x 13'. It cost me $3,600.00. After the chip-out was done, they mapped it out and filled in some of the area with cement bags and plaster from the chip out....then did the rebar and shotcrete. I think 10K sounds pretty high, but I'm curious what they quote you.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    10k to 15k very overpriced, some contractors do not like to do these type of projects and really mark up price as a way of talking people out of these type of remodels.

    Both of these were way under 10k, and the one that shows a finished pool included plumbing in two bubblers and relocating a return line.


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    You're in Vegas. Land of competition. I'm in Chicago. I can count the number of reliable places on one hand and maybe 2 fingers. "Market price" varies. The OP is in New Jersey, possibly a little more competitive than Chicago but nowhere near Vegas or Arizona.
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    I'm out in so cal and received 3 estimates for the sun shelf and the cheapest I could find was $2500 and the highest was $3500. If you go with shotcrete, I'm pretty sure it will be more costly but it's less work for the workers. I went with good old Portland cement and gravel to save money. I would call around and talk to some plaster companies not just pool builders. Some pool builders I called didn't even want to quote me because they were more interested in doing new pools than a remodel. I had more luck with the plaster companies.

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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    my quote was $3500 for a small shelf. For the size shelf we wanted would have been over $5,000. Too much to add to the pile I am forking over.

    Well, sand blasting - tile - plaster getting done in next 5 days and will be filling water soon!
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    Re: Sun Shelf Cost - Add During Renovation

    Sorry to hear the shelf was out of your budget. But moving on, I'm sure you are thrilled that the process will be complete soon!
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