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    Newbie, Need help please😟

    Okay, I'm new to this and really want to change to the TFP way. Before discovering this method we started off by flocking the pool aka swamp with Walmart HTH products. That helped but now it's already green again! I had just bought a 6way HTH kit....yippie! In order to start slamming I actually ordered from amazon a separate Taylor FAS/DOD test kit(have not received yet). Right now my readings are
    TC 5
    ph 8.2
    TA 100
    Hardiness 140
    CYA ??? I filled the tube and the black dot got bigger
    (now remember these results w/ HTH 6way test)
    & this is after I added like 2 gallons of liquid chlorine & brushed the entire pool

    I just need some guidance, I think I'm making this harder than it needs to be!
    Thanks for any help!
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Welcome to TFP!

    Use Poolmath to calculate 30 ppm of CYA, aka cyanuric acid, aka stabilizer and add it to your pool in a sock hanging in front of a return. Big box stores sell it in 4lb jugs.

    Use Poolmatch to calculate how much muriatic acid to add to lower your PH to 7.2. Be sure to enter TA, CH and other test results because they factor in to the PH adjustment add the acid with pump running and retest. PH could be higher than 8.2 as that is the top of the test range. Retest and and add acid again if needed. Once the PH reaches 7.2 and stays start your SLAM.

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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Thank you for your help! I really appreciate it @pooldv
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    I do have a question about the Slamming process. Just to be clear... When I start I add enough bleach to "shock" lvl, test water, then add more every hour? Without a good test kit (which I did order) how do I know if it's working? Should the water appearance change that quick?
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    Depends how swampy your pool is. If very swampy it will use a lot of chlorine quickly breaking down to goo. If not too swampy it will start to turn blue pretty quickly. Once FC doesn't drop so fast you can spread out the testing and dosing to 3 or 4 times per day. The process works no matter what, it just goes faster if you test more frequently. Scoop out anything you can with a leaf rake and brush daily, more if you can stand to.

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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Thank you so much for having patience with me!
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    I actually tested my ph again and it's @ 7.8 so should I not add the Muriatic acid?
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    Keep in mind that super elevated chlorine levels render pH readings unreliable, at best. Test pH when FC is normal or less.
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Good post Husky25! The PH test is only accurate with PH up to 10.

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    Yes, add acid to lower PH to 7.2 and start your SLAM.
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    I did. I started SLAM @2pm and keep checking it each hour. According to my goofy 6 way HTH test it's darker yellow than the top(5) reading. So I haven't added anymore bleach yet. But I know I will still slam at least once more today. Sound okay? I just think it's weird that it hasn't moved. The water is a teal color right now.
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    According to my goofy 6 way HTH test it's darker yellow than the top(5) reading. So I haven't added anymore bleach yet. But I know I will still slam at least once more today. Sound okay?
    Well, you are not really SLAMing your pool. You are adding doses of chlorine that you can not measure precisely with that test kit.

    It is quite possible you can get by using your own methods but the criteria to END the SLAM will not come into effect for you because you cannot measure precisely enough.

    You seem to have the correct idea but the wrong test kit.
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Yea that's pretty much what I thought. Hopefully my kit gets here asap! But at least I'm on the right track.
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Got my FAS-DPD test kit in! Yay! First test showed FC 3ppm and CC .4 ppm
    Second round FC 5.6 & CC .2ppm
    Oh the fun! Should I be shocked that my CC is low?
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Now that you have the right test kit, can you post up a full set of results. Most importantly we need to know that FC, CC, PH and CYA numbers

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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Okay...after slamming all day yesterday my pool is crystal clear!!!! I'm so excited and happy!����
    here are my test results....
    FC 7.6
    CC. .6
    PH. 7.9
    TA. 120
    CH. 140
    CYA 40

    So I'm guessing I need to continue to Slam? Also I didn't do the over night test! But it went from a FC 14.6 last night to FC 7.6 this morning...
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Now those are the way we like to see test results. Now you still need to continue the SLAM. Don't let-up. Based on your CYA, your SLAM FC should be 16, so you need to increase that right away. Your SLAM is not finished, and if you stop the SLAM the algae will just return. Continue to maintain the FC and do all the things on the SLAM page until you pass ALL 3 SLAM criteria.

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    No need to do the OCLT until the water is crystal and CC reading is below 0.5. The OCLT will be your last test for the SLAM.
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    Nice work! Almost finished.
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Ok I feel like a complete Idiot! Okay so during my slam I ran out of R-0871 ordered it and I finally got it today. 3 days I've been waiting... Anyway I discovered I was multiplying my FC results by .2 instead of .5 for a 10 ml fas-dpd test!!! So my FC was really higher than I realized! So today I start retesting and find out my cya is practically gone! Is it because of the high FC levels? Ugh... The pool is still beautiful and crystal clear but my fc is now 6.5, ph is 7.8 & cya missing in action! And I know I should continue slamming right? ��������
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    Adding bleach/chlorine should have no impact on your CYA. Is there any chance you mixed-up which reagent to mix or counted the skinny tube with the black dot incorrectly?
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    Re: Newbie, Need help please😟

    No I used the correct reagent. I actually just tested it again. I filled the tube to the top and it's cloudy but you can still see the black dot faintly.
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