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    Phosphate Levels Matter

    Split by moderator from HERE to longer hijack the original thread with this tangent. jblizzle

    I do this for a living I know how it works. I install about 50 a year.

    It is not calculated from the performance of the cell for number 1. It has a built in tester.

    The tester is made to run low so the lights come on showing a problem but it has been known for it to run fine and read salt fine but the cell is still bad. (Not generating chlorine)

    Phosphates can also cease a salt water pool from generating chlorine


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    Re: Salt water cell probs

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectionspoolguy View Post
    Phosphates can also cease a salt water pool from generating chlorine
    To quote you: "This is completely incorrect"

    Phosphates will not prevent a SWG from generating chlorine. In fact, TFP believes (based on science) that phosphates levels are near meaningless in pools. If you maintain adequate FC levels (which you know is a function of your CYA level, right?) then algae can NOT grow and thus the phosphate levels do not matter.
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    Re: Salt water cell probs

    Phosphates feed off of algea, the phosphates also eat the chlorine. You can put 20 pounds of shock in and if the phosphates are high enough it will be gone in a day


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    Re: Salt water cell probs

    Being yes if your salt cell can generate upward of 6lbs a day yeah they don't matter. But it also puts more stress on your cell making it burn out faster


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    Re: Salt water cell probs

    There will always be phosphates in the pool the problem is keeping them in a maintainable area.. phosphates are essentially algae food which makes it grow way faster. More algea=more chlorine to kill them before being able to solve the problem


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    Re: Surface algae on walls

    Split by moderator from HERE. jblizzle

    I know this, I'm a pool technician. To put it better, does your chlorine seem to be used up faster then normal?

    Where I am in the Midwest phosphates have been a problem lately.

    We would have to lower the phosphates lever being the algae grows too easily with too much of it


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    Re: Salt water cell probs

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectionspoolguy View Post
    Phosphates feed off of algea, the phosphates also eat the chlorine. You can put 20 pounds of shock in and if the phosphates are high enough it will be gone in a day
    This is completely incorrect.

    Phosphates are food for algae, not the other way around. If the chlorine level is enough, then the algae can not live and it does not matter how much food there is.

    TFP does not recommend throwing massive amounts of "shock" into a pool. If there is algae, then you follow the very specific and well defined ShockLevelAndMAINTAIN Process to eradicate the algae. Once that is done then you can easily maintain the appropriate FC level with a SWG, regardless of the amount of phosphates in the water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectionspoolguy View Post
    Being yes if your salt cell can generate upward of 6lbs a day yeah they don't matter. But it also puts more stress on your cell making it burn out faster
    Nope, sorry. Once you have eradicated the algae, the chlorine demand is very low (2-3ppm) per day and easy for a SWG to maintain it. Of course you also need to have your stabilizer level set correctly.
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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    Lol ok


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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    We've tried your SLAM technique and it has never worked for us


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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectionspoolguy View Post
    We've tried your SLAM technique and it has never worked for us

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    Only thing that has worked is treating the phosphates first. Can't remove and kill all the algae when no matter how much chlorine you put in the pool it's never enough


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    Re: Surface algae on walls

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectionspoolguy View Post
    I know this, I'm a pool technician. To put it better, does your chlorine seem to be used up faster then normal?

    Where I am in the Midwest phosphates have been a problem lately.

    We would have to lower the phosphates lever being the algae grows too easily with too much of it

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    I'm sorry, but you are incorrect here also. If proper chlorine levels are maintained then no matter how high the phosphate levels are algae will not grow. While yo may have viewed multiple pools, our members have tested and used our methods in tens of thousands of pools with positive results. I recommend you take a look at Pool School and see the difference between how we recommend pools be maintained.
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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectionspoolguy View Post
    We've tried your SLAM technique and it has never worked for us

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    I highly doubt a pool service company would follow that technique correctly ... you were there to test and adjust every few hours for a few days straight?

    TFP is geared to the homeowner to learn to maintain their own pools. And I have NEVER seen the SLAM process not work when done correctly.

    You are welcome to continue to help members with equipment issues, but perhaps the chemistry questions should be left for others. There is a reason that 100k people have joined this forum to learn a better way than what most of the pool industry is doing.
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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectionspoolguy View Post
    Only thing that has worked is treating the phosphates first. Can't remove and kill all the algae when no matter how much chlorine you put in the pool it's never enough

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    I'm sorry, but we have thousands of folks who show up with green pools and we walk them through eradicating the algae without ever addressing any phosphate "issues".
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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    Reflections - So what would you say to somebody with a measured phosphate level of over 20,000 ppb? BTW, no algae in that pool, ever.
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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    The only times we wouldn't have been there was during the night but yes once we weren't able to get it clear we were stopping by ever few hours from 8am to 5 pm and their was a few that we had the owners continue to test and adjust their levels.


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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    Maybe it was a filter issue
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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    Lol one of the first things we check


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    Re: Phosphate Levels Matter

    This thread clearly is going nowhere and serves zero positive on TFP. It is now closed for discussion.


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