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    Most rat-proof heater?

    I've got a 14 year old natural gas 400k BTU Hayward heater that I think has finally bit the dust. The control panel has been damaged due to rats as well as insulation chewed up and various other wires chewed. I've got bait stations outside and every time I open it to clean out a nest or a dead rat I leave fresh poison inside and reset the traps in there but they always come back in.

    Since the heater is pretty old I'm thinking of replacing it, are there any brands or models that are more rat proof than others? The Hayward I have is pretty much wide open all the way around the base.

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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Well nothing is rat proof 100%. Not too many rats ever get inside a Raypak. Plus I would load up on moth balls or crystallized bobcat urine.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    My brother in law has a newer Hayward that seems pretty secure. But I've not inspected it super close.

    Can an you repair the wires? I recently rebooted a fairly old pentair heater (15 years old maybe?). I replaced wires that were exposed and some other items. Now it seems back to new again.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    IMO, every heater should be rat/mouse proofed. I thought my Sta-Rite gas heater didn't have any real access openings..was I wrong. Rats can get through a whole the size of a quarter.

    I found a large rats nest inside my heater even tho I had traps set outside and poison placed around it. With the next Sta-Rite I got to replace my 12 yr unit, I cut pieces of metal wire mesh I bought from Home Dept and covered up any and all openings, using sheet metal screws to fasten the pieces to the heater shell. No signs of nesting, chewed wire or hoses, or the smell of urine after almost three years.

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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    The rats LOVE the Sta-Rites more than any other unit.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summoner12 View Post
    Can an you repair the wires? I recently rebooted a fairly old pentair heater (15 years old maybe?). I replaced wires that were exposed and some other items. Now it seems back to new again.
    I'm sure the connecting wires can be repaired, the control board is definitely toast though. The ribbon cable that connects to the display is chewed up and definitely a resistor or capacitor has scorch marks around it. From doing a little research online 12 years seems like a pretty long-in-the-tooth heater and I'm concerned a new control board installed will be $500 and the heater will only last another year or two. Plus I was hoping that maybe newer models would be more rat proof.

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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    The local sales rep for Jandy has mentioned to me more than once that their new JXi heater was designed to be rat proof.

    You won't find the claim in their promo materials so YMMV.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Quote Originally Posted by poolkid View Post
    The local sales rep for Jandy has mentioned to me more than once that their new JXi heater was designed to be rat proof.

    You won't find the claim in their promo materials so YMMV.
    Ha ha ha....That's a good one, rat proof. I guess if it's encased on concrete. I've seen rats eat thru almost everything but concrete.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    I would say to avoid the Sta-Rite MaxTherm. Zero rat protection.

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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Now that there is nasty!
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Quote Originally Posted by wjr75 View Post
    Now that there is nasty!
    The customer was out of state and kept insisting on a quote for repair until I sent pictures. I installed a Pentair MasterTemp and encased it with 1/4" mesh wire screen. It's been 2 years and no rat intrusions.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    I should probably go out and open up & inspect my heater ... I'm just too scared as to what I might find

    Destructive little buggers....


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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Before replacing my Sta Rite (for non-rate infestation reasons), mine looked like that too. What I found so amusing is that the nest had all of my rat poison cubes stored in the nest - here I was thinking that all the poison cubes I had been placing around the heater were being consumed.

    Because virtually any heater can be infested by rats, I don't think a rat's ability to infest a Sta Rite means that make/model should be avoided. All heaters, regardless of brand, should be wire meshed protected. It's an inexpensive fix for any heater and well worth it.

    But if you do have an unprotected heater (Sta Rite or otherwise) that you haven't opened in a while, it would be a good idea to open her up and take a look as a standard and/or preventative maintenance exercise. Put on a suit of armor before doing so (j/k).
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimslaw View Post
    All heaters, regardless of brand, should be wire meshed protected. It's an inexpensive fix for any heater and well worth it.
    Excellent point. I prefer the Pentair version (MasterTemp) because it's shaped like a cube. It's much easier to install the wire mesh.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    There is a company, MKRebar Benders, that makes a rat proofing kit (MKR-27-0008) for the sta-rite, and others. I can only find it through my distribution which will make it a challenge to get for the homeowner, unless of course, you get it through your pool guy.

    This is what one home owner did with simple chicken wire and some sheet metal screws.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Quote Originally Posted by poolkid View Post
    I would say to avoid the Sta-Rite MaxTherm. Zero rat protection.

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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    I am officially horrified. God only knows how I will react when something ends up in my pool. In middle school, we dissected eggs as they developed and I couldnt eat eggs for a decade. Or so.
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen203 View Post
    I am officially horrified. God only knows how I will react when something ends up in my pool. In middle school, we dissected eggs as they developed and I couldnt eat eggs for a decade. Or so.
    Hey Helen,

    How about one of these




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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    omg, you are horrible!!!! lol, then again, i can eat a crab!
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    Re: Most rat-proof heater?

    The locals tell me you can eat those things, but I prefer a good steak in my BBQ

    Don't worry Helen, they don't like the East Coast weather much so you're not in any danger of finding one of those in your pool.


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