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    Balancing new pool water

    So an 85,000 litre outdoor pool recently been re grouted, replaced loose tiles, removed all the black algae etc.

    Re filled with fresh water from a bowser / tanker.

    During last month added 5kg of Dichlor granules and 2 KG of Trichlor tablets.

    Today using the TAYLOR K-2006 test kit got the following readings

    Free Chlorine 5ppm
    CYA 50ppm (did this three times)
    PH 7.2
    TA 160
    did not do a Calcium hardness test as water is approx 12 degres C.

    Pool looks great. My question is how can the CYA test be so high. Based on manufacturers chemical spec Dichlor per 200 grams will treat 15,000 litres with 1ppm of free chlorine and 0.9ppm of CYA. Trichlor per 200 grams 1ppm (free chlorine) and 0.6ppm (CYA) per 15,000 litres.

    If the CYA really is 50ppm I am happy, but it just cannot be when the free chlorine is measuring 5ppm which is approx what has been added. Even allowing for rapid chlorine evaporation before the CYA level stopped it, and even allowing for high chlorine activity from organic contamination (not likely in a clean pool and with cold water) the CYA still would not be this much higher than the chlorine level within a month!

    Whenever I test pools for CYA the readings are usually far too high (greater than 100) but this is to be expected where tablets and granules have been used for years. Since taking over these pools I have stopped the use of tablets and granules using only sodium hypochlorite (liquid chlorine). Plus all pools over the winter period are being vacuumed to waste then topping up with fresh water to dilute the CYA. Even the salt pools CYA tests come in around the 50ppm mark. I am 99.999% sure I am doing the test correctly. Because where pools have had 50% drains for repairs and then re filled the CYA will be 50ppm or thereabouts. Just to be sure this is what I am doing...


    1. sample water taken using 1 litre jug dragged accross the deep end in the pool net approx 2 - 3 foot below the surface
    2. 7ml added to sample bottle
    3. 7ml CYA reagent added
    4. Mix thoroughly for a min 30 seconds.
    5. Then do the FAS/DPD chlorine test, PH demand test, TA test. (Not doing calcium water too cold).
    6. Record all information (using evernote in mobile phone which syncs to PC good program for this work)
    7. Now return to the CYA sample, mix for another 30 seconds.
    8. Slowly add to the test tube watching the black dot. Once it finally dissapears read the value on the side of the test tube and record.


    The only thing that occurs to me is water temp? However Taylor say this does not matter.

    Your views / experiences are greatly appreciated.

    P.S great web site

    SIMON
    Currently a total of 53 pools. All in ground outdoor (except one). Size range from 20,000 to 85,000 litres. 5 SWG, 1 bromine, 47 regular chlorine pools. 1 is vynal the rest are all tiled.
    6 of these pools due to have UV-c sanitation installed after Xmas...where health matters UV-c is chlorines leader..

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    Re: Balancing new pool water

    It will be interesting to see what someone with more experience than I has to say I am certainly curious.

    I am still learning so take this idea for what it is worth but while you are waiting for other ideas/responses how about repeating the test but dilute the pool water 1 to 1 with tap water? This is usually suggested for those with CYA over 100PPM but I think in your situation the results could still provide you some valuable information. If you do a dilution test but still get a result in the 45 to 50 PPM range I would think there is something wrong with you reagent, if the test goes down to around half the original test then you can have some confidence in the first result of 50ppm. If that is the case the only thought I have is there has to be something in the water causing the reaction, if it is not CYA it is at least something that has the same interaction with the reagent.

    Is it possible the pool owner or company that did the work and refill added some CYA and forgot to tell you?
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    Re: Balancing new pool water

    Given your numbers I punched your additions of dichlor and trichlor into Poolmaths and according to the CYA total it comes to 43 for your sized pool so from that point of view your testing of your CYA seems right to me.
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    Re: Balancing new pool water

    In my experience you HAVE to add something to make CYA show up on the test. It could be from tablets, power or liquid CYA.

    I have never (I know-never say never but...) see "fresh filled" water with CYA in it.

    Talk to the pool owner. Did they or someone add something?? anything to the pool???

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    Re: Balancing new pool water

    The CYA added via Trichlor and Dichlor add up quickly, more quickly than some folks imagine. Trust your testing and believe it is at 50, if not just a little higher.

    In a 85,000l pool -

    5kg of Dichlor granules would raise CYA by 33

    2 KG of Trichlor tablets would raise CYA by 22
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    Re: Balancing new pool water

    Sorry about that. I missed the MOST important line about already adding stuff.

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