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    Freeze protection speeds ignored

    New to me pool
    today it's 35 degrees in dallas and I noticed all 3 of my vs pumps and the cleaner pump are all running at 3300 rpm
    i set them all to come on but set the speed to a much lower rpm

    for freeze protection I don't need to be using 10k watts of power
    1100 rpm would be enough as long as the water is moving

    anyone here know why the freeze protection is running faster that the preset ?

    for example the spa is on and it looks like it turned in the spa preset rather than the freeze protection preset ..


    im tempted to just get a Blanket and 100 watt drop light
    but would prefer to use automated systems
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Not sure how iAqualink works with a Pentair IntelliFlo. On the EasyTouch automation panel you simply tell it which circuits (relays) need to energize for freeze protection and then it activates those relays. I actually disabled the Freeze Protect on my "POOL" circuit and used a spare circuit set to run the pump at a really low speed and have that circuit activate when Freeze Protect goes on. Perhaps you need to do something similar on the iAqualink?

    My biggest annoyance is I have a rock waterfall feature with a hugely over-spec'd 3HP pump and that activates when the freeze protect goes on. I'm actually thinking of winterizing just the waterfall plumbing so I can shutdown that pump during the cold months.
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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Here are screenshots of the setup



    It it seems the main pool pump has all kinds of speeds assigned but the second and third pumps have only one

    I've tried reading the manuals but haven't found helpful passages yet
    freez1.jpg
    freeze3.jpg
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    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Where do setup freeze protection? Which circuits get set to come on with freeze protect?


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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    added image above
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Should I turn on the bubbler and waterfalls during freeze protection?


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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    I did as Matt is thinking of and insulated just the piping for my waterfall. As for the setup on the Aqualink I have just my pump setup since my cleaner and booster pump are in the same plumbing and not isolated by any actuators they should be able to get plenty of flow to be protected. If your booster is on an actuated line you can use the "not used" slot to define a 600RPM speed and whatever valves that are needed no need to run the booster pump it will get enough flow from the main pump and by extension the cleaner will also be protected.
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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    thanks for the replies but some of the above is over my head

    i also have a swim jet w separate pump that isnt even seen by the aqualink

    I hate to say it but I may need to call in an expert to get an understanding of what my options are
    DSC_6916(1).jpgDSC_7064.jpg
    pictures show the 3 vs pumps and the boost pump and the swim jet pump
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    I believe you need to set each pump one at a time:

    1.jpg
    I select my VSP and click Next



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    Click on Freeze Protect Spd


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    And enter in the desired speed.



    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Flappy
    that speed is set but when the freeze protection comes on it runs at the regular pump rpm
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Silver, this is very odd. I just validated what you are seeing. My pump is not running at 600rpms as set in freeze mode - it too is running at the preset filtration speed.

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    In addition, I was unable to exclude the Filter Pump from freeze mode. All other relays could be added and removed but not that one. I assume you are seeing the same thing.

    - Flappy
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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    I just found the following in the iAqualink manual:

    Page 37:
    Freeze Protection
    In the freeze protect mode the pump will turn
    ON and be set to at least the freeze protect
    speed. If the filter pump speed is higher than the
    freeze protect speed, then the pump will run at
    the filtration speed. Also, if speeds have been
    assigned to auxiliaries and if those auxiliaries
    are freeze protected, the pump will be set to the
    highest of the speeds.


    And on page 27:
    Note the filter pump is always assigned to freeze protection.
    16,500 gallon IG Pool & Spa: Intelliflo VS pump, Pentair Triton II TR-100 sand filter, Teledyne Laars Lite2 propane heater
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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Well I'm glad it wasn't just me

    the aqua link system is completely screwed up
    makes no sense
    need to read the manual and maybe call them

    I can go in and set the pump to 1000 rpm
    but it would be so much better to have it be 1000 only when on freeze and th regular pump rpm all other times
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    And I will likely move my scheduled filter cycle to the early hours of the morning. We're having overnight lows in the 30's this week. No sense in running the pump during the day if I am forced to run it at night.
    16,500 gallon IG Pool & Spa: Intelliflo VS pump, Pentair Triton II TR-100 sand filter, Teledyne Laars Lite2 propane heater
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    Re: Freeze protection speeds ignored

    Yep - I've seen others post that they do the same
    I still need to figure out how to keep the swim jet pump from freezing

    its not Vs and not connected to aqua link
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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