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    Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    First if you are reading this, Thank you, thank you, thank you for your time.

    I don't know what I am doing and I would like your opinion on the pool build and the pricing.

    Some background

    I am building a new house in Bethesda MD. Bethesda is a suburb of Washington DC and has I high cost of living. Home prices in my neighborhood run from 1M to 6M. I feel this is important as prices on new pool builds differ greatly across the country. I basically live in one of the most expensive areas in the county to build.

    I asked my architect to refer me a pool company and he did and there quote is below. As he was giving me the quote he said this is what you want and I would rather give you the real number up front than charge you more later. I told him I liked that he did that. All this company does is high end pools in the DC area.

    I am more interested in it being perfect than I am cost

    Cost is important but having the pool as close to perfect is what I am really after. My architect said that the company he referred me is the middle of the 3 he recommends and he builds in homes that are 2M+ High end work costs more, I am OK with that and will pay for it I just want you fine people to give me your opinion.

    Some questions

    1) Is the pool and spa big enough for my family? I have wife and 3 kids under 10. We like to entertain so there will often be 10 to 15 people at the pool at one time.

    2) Did they quote me nice equipment? Are there any changes you would make?

    3) Is this price in the ballpark of being reasonable for a super nice pool build?

    4) Is 9,240 a reasonable amount to pay for bullnose coping? That seams like a lot to me.

    5) Is it worth upgrading the heater?

    6) if your reading #6 you are awesome!!! Thanks again for your time and or opinion.

    7) I am going to get every option but the sunshelf.


    Pool Quote

    Dimensions of Pool: Width: 20’ Length: 40’ Area: 800 sq. ft.

    Shape of Pool: Rectangle Depth: 3 ˝’ to 8 1/2’

    Filter: Jandy 60 sq. ft. diatomaceous earth (D.E.) with a Jandy Stealth 2 HP/2 speed pump hydraulically designed to meet the requirements for the filtration of the pool and spa.

    Electrical Appliances: Jandy PDA-PS8 Pool Digital Assistant handheld controller. Brings the power and flexibility of a wireless control system to the palm of your hand. Controls filter pump, Polaris pump, heater, spa, spa and pool lights, and other accessories such as landscape lighting. Includes a 125 amp capacity sub panel mounted inside a water-proof case, three 250 watt quartz halogen pool lights and one 100 watt spa light with stainless steel light niches, junction boxes and electrical bonding of steel structure. Also includes an iAquaLink for operation from any hand-held web enabled device. Ethernet cable to the pool equipment by others if the wireless signal strength is weak at the pool equipment location.

    Electrical: All necessary electrical for pool and spa.

    Excavation: To be performed with a standard front end loader. Dirt to stay on site. All necessary forming for pool and spa is included.

    Plumbing: Suction lines connecting main drains (two), and skimmers (two) to filter pump, to be independently plumbed in 2" schedule 40 PVC, and controlled with Jandy "Never Lube" valves to allow balancing of skimmer action. Return lines (three) to be plumbed in 2" schedule 40 PVC from pool equipment to first return in pool, and reduced thereafter to 1 1/2", and 1" as dictated by pool shape and appropriate hydraulic engineering. Spa plumbing to be 2” schedule 40 PVC.

    Steel: ˝” at 6” on center.

    Gunite: To be pneumatically applied using a ratio of one part cement to three and one half parts sand, mixed dry on site, with hydration occurring at the nozzle. With this method of construction, Town & Country Pools warrants the pool structure for as long as the original purchaser is the owner and transferable to the first subsequent owner for three years.

    Coping: 2”x14”x24” premium blue flagstone with a thermal finished edge

    Tile: One row of 6” tile around perimeter of pool and spa, and 12” on the automatic cover ledge. ($10.00 per sq. ft. allowance)

    Steps: One set of four steps in the shallow end with a 6’ extended 2nd step.

    Swim Out: One 6’ swim out with a step in the deep end.

    Heater: 400,000 BTU Jandy JXi with electronic ignition, dual thermostat, Natural Gas.

    Automatic Pool Cleaner: Polaris TR35 with back up valve, time clock and 3/4 hp booster pump.

    Spa: 10’x12’; 120 sq. ft., flush with pool deck, 2” premium blue flagstone with thermal finished edge, 18" bench with a 6” sloped backrest, 2” premium blue flagstone, eight hydro-air injectors plumbed into dual independent 2" manifolds supplied by 2" supply lines. Separate main drains with anti vortex plates, one 100 watt incandescent light, and one 2 HP blower. Includes winter unions for use after the pool has been winterized. Veneer by others (Town and Country to provide notch for stone veneer).

    Spa Cover: Thermal insulated spa cover, color to be determined.

    Automatic Pool Cover: Coverstar pool cover with electrically powered mechanism. Mechanism to have 20 year warranty and to be contolled by way of a key switch, location to be determined. Cover fabric to have a seven year warranty. Cover to be installed by factory trained mechanics per factory specs. Cover color to be selected. Forming and pouring of the concrete cover box is included.

    Automatic Cover Lid: 2”x14”x24” premium blue flagstone with a thermal finished edge

    Winter Cover: Loop-loc mesh cover for pool with including installation, color to be determined.

    Water Purifier: The Nature2 Fusion Soft is an all-in-one sanitizing system that includes mineral sanitization and saltwater chlorination technologies in one housing. The dual approach’s first process is Zodiac’s patented Nature2 technology which delivers controlled trace amounts of beneficial minerals to help reduce bacteria and maintain algae free pool. The mineral cartridge reduces the amount of chlorine your pool requires, which dramatically improves the water quality. The second process is known as electrolysis which produces chlorine from a low concentration of salt added to the pool water. Chlorine kills bacteria, oxidizes organic material, and kills algae then reverts back to salt. The Nature2 Fusion Soft then reuses the salt to repeat the process again.

    Interior Finish: Pebble Sheen, color to be determined.

    Water Haul: Truck in water to fill pool and spa after Pebble Sheen.

    Caulking: Caulk where pool and spa coping abut pool deck as necessary.

    Other: Swimming pool permit, temporary fence, maintenance tools (two telescopic poles 8'-16', leaf net, wall brush, chemical test kit and thermometers for pool and spa, vacuum head and hose), clean up, and customer indoctrination when the pool is full and operational. Owner to provide brushing of pool and spa after Pebble Sheen. Pool and spa to be turned over to owner clean, balanced, and ready for regular maintenance.

    TOTAL POOL AND ACCESSORY PRICE: $185,028.00

    This price is subject to the terms and conditions as specified in Town & Country Pools Construction Agreement.

    Options:

    * Spa Jets: Add 8 additional spa jets (for a total of 16). Includes a 2HP booster pump and blower. Add $6,300.00

    * Bullnose Coping: Add a bullnose to the inside of the pool coping; and inside and outside of the spa coping. Add $9,240.00

    * Swim Out: Add 2nd 6’ swim out in the deep end of the pool. Add $800.00

    * Sunshelf: Add an 8’x8’ sunshelf in the shallow end of the pool. Add $5,200.00

    * Heater: Jandy 350,000 BTU, Laars Hi-E2 energy efficient heater (Natural Gas), the combustion system includes a heat exchanger which extracts 95% of the energy from the gas fuel. This compares with the standard pool heater that is approximately 80% efficient. The Hi-e2 heater operates with a fan induction system and is the most efficient state of the art swimming pool heater. Add $7,750.00

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    Here are some pictures of what the pool is going to look like.

    Poolscape - Contemporary - Pool - dc metro - by D & A Dunlevy Landscapers, Inc.

    Raised Spa - Traditional - Pool - baltimore - by D & A Dunlevy Landscapers, Inc.

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    OH- One more thing. I would like to have fiber optic lights on the floor of the pool. that look like the picture below. He said it would cost 50,000.00, yes 50K. Does that seam right to you?

    Fiber Optical Swimming Pool - Tropical - houston - by Exterior Worlds Landscaping & Design

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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    Hi,
    I really dont know if thats a good price or not. I made some other comments below in Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daoman View Post
    First if you are reading this, Thank you, thank you, thank you for your time.

    I don't know what I am doing and I would like your opinion on the pool build and the pricing.

    Some background

    I am building a new house in Bethesda MD. Bethesda is a suburb of Washington DC and has I high cost of living. Home prices in my neighborhood run from 1M to 6M. I feel this is important as prices on new pool builds differ greatly across the country. I basically live in one of the most expensive areas in the county to build.

    I asked my architect to refer me a pool company and he did and there quote is below. As he was giving me the quote he said this is what you want and I would rather give you the real number up front than charge you more later. I told him I liked that he did that. All this company does is high end pools in the DC area.

    I am more interested in it being perfect than I am cost

    Cost is important but having the pool as close to perfect is what I am really after. My architect said that the company he referred me is the middle of the 3 he recommends and he builds in homes that are 2M+ High end work costs more, I am OK with that and will pay for it I just want you fine people to give me your opinion.

    Some questions

    1) Is the pool and spa big enough for my family? I have wife and 3 kids under 10. We like to entertain so there will often be 10 to 15 people at the pool at one time. Yes. a 20x40 is a huge pool at a residence.

    2) Did they quote me nice equipment? Are there any changes you would make? Jandy is good stuff. See other comments below.

    3) Is this price in the ballpark of being reasonable for a super nice pool build? I would hope so!

    4) Is 9,240 a reasonable amount to pay for bullnose coping? That seams like a lot to me. I would skip it and stay with the flagstone coping. Flagstone is nice stuff and you will love it.

    5) Is it worth upgrading the heater? I dont know.

    6) if your reading #6 you are awesome!!! Thanks again for your time and or opinion. You are awesome too!

    7) I am going to get every option but the sunshelf. My opinion? Skip the swimout and get the sun shelf. Sun shelfs are awesome and believe it or not, you will spend a lot of time on it. If you do get it though, get a couple of bubblers on it. Bubblers provide great ambience and will help keep the dirt cleaned off of it.


    Pool Quote

    Dimensions of Pool: Width: 20’ Length: 40’ Area: 800 sq. ft.

    Shape of Pool: Rectangle Depth: 3 ˝’ to 8 1/2’

    Filter: Jandy 60 sq. ft. diatomaceous earth (D.E.) with a Jandy Stealth 2 HP/2 speed pump hydraulically designed to meet the requirements for the filtration of the pool and spa.

    Electrical Appliances: Jandy PDA-PS8 Pool Digital Assistant handheld controller. Brings the power and flexibility of a wireless control system to the palm of your hand. Controls filter pump, Polaris pump, heater, spa, spa and pool lights, and other accessories such as landscape lighting. Includes a 125 amp capacity sub panel mounted inside a water-proof case, three 250 watt quartz halogen pool lights and one 100 watt spa light with stainless steel light niches, junction boxes and electrical bonding of steel structure. Also includes an iAquaLink for operation from any hand-held web enabled device. Ethernet cable to the pool equipment by others if the wireless signal strength is weak at the pool equipment location.
    Have you considered LED lights? They arent as bright as incandescent, and 3 would be enough. They can be nice for ambience and the color shows would be great when entertaining. They also draw way less bugs at night than incndescent do.
    Also, what type of pump is being supplied. There are lots of types, such as single speed, 2 speed and variable speed. (for 185K, I would hope a Variable Speed pump is being supplied.

    Electrical: All necessary electrical for pool and spa.

    Excavation: To be performed with a standard front end loader. Dirt to stay on site. All necessary forming for pool and spa is included.
    What is gong to happen to all of that dirt? That will be a LOT of dirt and someone is going to have to be done with it.

    Plumbing: Suction lines connecting main drains (two), and skimmers (two) to filter pump, to be independently plumbed in 2" schedule 40 PVC, and controlled with Jandy "Never Lube" valves to allow balancing of skimmer action. Good on 2 skimmers indepenently plumbed. Return lines (three) to be plumbed in 2" schedule 40 PVC from pool equipment to first return in pool, I would recommend plumbing the returns individually. In a Loop fashion such as is being quted, there will be considerably less flow at the farthest from the pump. With as 20x40 pool, you will need all of the return you can get. I would recommend at least 4 of them. and reduced thereafter to 1 1/2", and 1" as dictated by pool shape and appropriate hydraulic engineering. Spa plumbing to be 2” schedule 40 PVC.

    Steel: ˝” at 6” on center.

    Gunite: To be pneumatically applied using a ratio of one part cement to three and one half parts sand, mixed dry on site, with hydration occurring at the nozzle. With this method of construction, Town & Country Pools warrants the pool structure for as long as the original purchaser is the owner and transferable to the first subsequent owner for three years.

    Coping: 2”x14”x24” premium blue flagstone with a thermal finished edge

    Tile: One row of 6” tile around perimeter of pool and spa, and 12” on the automatic cover ledge. ($10.00 per sq. ft. allowance)

    Steps: One set of four steps in the shallow end with a 6’ extended 2nd step.

    Swim Out: One 6’ swim out with a step in the deep end.

    Heater: 400,000 BTU Jandy JXi with electronic ignition, dual thermostat, Natural Gas.

    Automatic Pool Cleaner: Polaris TR35 with back up valve, time clock and 3/4 hp booster pump.

    Spa: 10’x12’; 120 sq. ft., flush with pool deck, 2” premium blue flagstone with thermal finished edge, 18" bench with a 6” sloped backrest, 2” premium blue flagstone, eight hydro-air injectors plumbed into dual independent 2" manifolds supplied by 2" supply lines. Separate main drains with anti vortex plates, one 100 watt incandescent light, and one 2 HP blower. Includes winter unions for use after the pool has been winterized. Veneer by others (Town and Country to provide notch for stone veneer). Does this mean the finish on the spa will be up to you to have someone complete? That's very unusual. I would ask him to finish it.

    Spa Cover: Thermal insulated spa cover, color to be determined.

    Automatic Pool Cover: Coverstar pool cover with electrically powered mechanism. Mechanism to have 20 year warranty and to be contolled by way of a key switch, location to be determined. Cover fabric to have a seven year warranty. Cover to be installed by factory trained mechanics per factory specs. Cover color to be selected. Forming and pouring of the concrete cover box is included.

    Automatic Cover Lid: 2”x14”x24” premium blue flagstone with a thermal finished edge

    Winter Cover: Loop-loc mesh cover for pool with including installation, color to be determined.

    Water Purifier: The Nature2 Fusion Soft is an all-in-one sanitizing system that includes mineral sanitization and saltwater chlorination technologies in one housing. The dual approach’s first process is Zodiac’s patented Nature2 technology which delivers controlled trace amounts of beneficial minerals to help reduce bacteria and maintain algae free pool. The mineral cartridge reduces the amount of chlorine your pool requires, which dramatically improves the water quality. The second process is known as electrolysis which produces chlorine from a low concentration of salt added to the pool water. Chlorine kills bacteria, oxidizes organic material, and kills algae then reverts back to salt. The Nature2 Fusion Soft then reuses the salt to repeat the process again.
    You will find that TFP doesnt think much of the Nature 2. They use metals such as copper and silver for purification and metals can leave ugly stains on the plaster. They just don't work very well. Recommend to go either with a SWG system or a Liquid Chlorine dosing system.

    Interior Finish: Pebble Sheen, color to be determined.

    Water Haul: Truck in water to fill pool and spa after Pebble Sheen.

    Caulking: Caulk where pool and spa coping abut pool deck as necessary.

    Other: Swimming pool permit, temporary fence, maintenance tools (two telescopic poles 8'-16', leaf net, wall brush, chemical test kit and thermometers for pool and spa, vacuum head and hose), clean up, and customer indoctrination when the pool is full and operational. Owner to provide brushing of pool and spa after Pebble Sheen. Pool and spa to be turned over to owner clean, balanced, and ready for regular maintenance.

    TOTAL POOL AND ACCESSORY PRICE: $185,028.00

    This price is subject to the terms and conditions as specified in Town & Country Pools Construction Agreement.

    Options:

    * Spa Jets: Add 8 additional spa jets (for a total of 16). Includes a 2HP booster pump and blower. Add $6,300.00

    * Bullnose Coping: Add a bullnose to the inside of the pool coping; and inside and outside of the spa coping. Add $9,240.00

    * Swim Out: Add 2nd 6’ swim out in the deep end of the pool. Add $800.00

    * Sunshelf: Add an 8’x8’ sunshelf in the shallow end of the pool. Add $5,200.00

    * Heater: Jandy 350,000 BTU, Laars Hi-E2 energy efficient heater (Natural Gas), the combustion system includes a heat exchanger which extracts 95% of the energy from the gas fuel. This compares with the standard pool heater that is approximately 80% efficient. The Hi-e2 heater operates with a fan induction system and is the most efficient state of the art swimming pool heater. Add $7,750.00

    - - - Updated - - -

    Here are some pictures of what the pool is going to look like.

    Poolscape - Contemporary - Pool - dc metro - by D & A Dunlevy Landscapers, Inc.

    Raised Spa - Traditional - Pool - baltimore - by D & A Dunlevy Landscapers, Inc.

    - - - Updated - - -

    OH- One more thing. I would like to have fiber optic lights on the floor of the pool. that look like the picture below. He said it would cost 50,000.00, yes 50K. Does that seam right to you?

    Fiber Optical Swimming Pool - Tropical - houston - by Exterior Worlds Landscaping & Design
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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    I agree with what was said above in the red.

    I would make sure to get at least 2 more quotes. There is really no other real way to know if the prices are good or not.

    I know it is a pain but.......

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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    Thank you for the replies!

    Do you have any idea how much the fiber optic stars on the bottom of the pool cost? He is quoting me 50K. Please see picture below


    Fiber Optical Swimming Pool - Tropical - houston - by Exterior Worlds Landscaping & Design

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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    Those look pretty cool, but honestly I wouldn't have the first clue on the cost of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daoman View Post
    Thank you for the replies!

    Do you have any idea how much the fiber optic stars on the bottom of the pool cost? He is quoting me 50K. Please see picture below


    Fiber Optical Swimming Pool - Tropical - houston - by Exterior Worlds Landscaping & Design
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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    Those fiber optics lights are so cool!

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    For the price you are paying get a variable speed pump, the bullnose does not seem that high but if it helps I have heard that the thermal edge is more in fashion probably because of the cost. the fiber optic thing is way cool my guess is the price may reflect your builder having to birring in a specialist to do the work, only way you will know for sure is get some more quotes. For a pool your size you are looking at a dozen trips with a decent size tractor trailer to remove all the dirt so unless you are on a farm I would get the removal included in the quote.
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    As above, multiple quotes based upon your ideal design will validate the price proposed. That said - everything is negotiable until someone walks away.

    For more input on the suggestions, please upload a design image, as the location of lights / returns / etc can make a significant difference in your final product / enjoyment.

    In this price range, I would encourage you to consider value to a future buyer as well. It may be that a slightly smaller pool (30x20??) with integrated koi pond, larger deck, wet at, pizza kitchen and/or outdoor kitchen will create more long term value.
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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    Thank you all for the replies so far. It is very helpful to get your input. I think my next step is to get another quote or two. Hopefully someone can provide some insight on the fiber optic stars.

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    That pool size is a bit larger than ours (18x38). And the depth profile is the same. It will absolutely be large enough. Though we do not have a spa. Will your spa be inset to that rectangle? Even if it is, great size.

    Bullnose on the coping seems quite high. The only place something other than square would be interesting to me would be on the inside of the spa which you lean against. Otherwise, unnecessary to me. We have square edge PA bluestone as well, though not quite as thick, except on our Coverstar autocover cover stones.

    LED's should be considered a no-brainer for a pool of that caliber. 2-3 for the pool and one for the spa.

    I'd choose some fantastic custom mosaic for the bottom like Martin Kennedy's versus a 50k fiber optic system.

    Ditch the Nature 2 and also get a robot versus a vacuum needing a booster.
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    To piggyabck on bmoreswim's comments:

    Quote Originally Posted by bmoreswim View Post
    Bullnose on the coping seems quite high. The only place something other than square would be interesting to me would be on the inside of the spa which you lean against. Otherwise, unnecessary to me. That's a lot imo but if you love it then it's worth it. If you are only considering it b/c the PB brought it up, I'd skip it.

    LED's should be considered a no-brainer for a pool of that caliber. 2-3 for the pool and one for the spa. No doubt! They really bring the pool to life.

    I'd choose some fantastic custom mosaic for the bottom like Martin Kennedy's versus a 50k fiber optic system. I totally agree. The stars are cool but a novelty (imo). You'll love it but you'll get much more enjoyment out of a great mosaic. I love my LED lights and glad I got them (was considering skipping them). But, I only see them for a small amount of time and while it's a nice highlight to my yard I only really look at them for a much shorter time than I swim in the pool. So a mosaic would get much more "use." But i'd personally save the 50k altogether.
    I would get at least one other quote. With a price like that it could easily differ by 30k. Of course like anything, price isn't everything. I always consider the ability to do the job. All will say they can do it, but there is a value in getting it done in a reasonable time (sounds like this co. has proven they can do that). Just an FYI, I have a 32x16 pool on a slope so we had to take a large amount of dirt out. It cost 6k. Not a big deal considering the size of your job and might even be worth getting rid of it depending on how the lower soil quality is. Good luck!
    IMO, skip the heater upgrade. Not sure how they justify the difference.
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    Pool pricing varies so much from region to region and site considerations are important so it is difficult for us to judge pricing.

    That said for the price it seems like hes selling stuff rather than giving you the best. The odds are that your pool service will not use the metal part of the Nature 2 system. Its not something that gets good reviews on here. A oversized Jandy salt system would probably be better. Or a chemical dosing system.

    A gunite spa with extra jests is great for socializing. But for a better quality spa experience you get more jets with a portable spa. But for parties and socializing a inground spa is great.

    I'd also recommend 4 returns. That's a large volume of water.

    Tell him to include the sunshelf and the swimout for free -- I'd really like to understand how excavating less costs him that much more.

    1/2" at 6" on center rebar? For the whole pool? Ok that's probably overkill and frankly I've never seen a pool on here that meets that spec. Is there an engineering review?

    I must be missing it but what is the pool pump?
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    Hi fellow Marylander. We're just wrapping up our pool build, similar specs but smaller pool, and spent less than a third of what you've been quoted. I recommend that you talk to more pool builders. From everything I've experienced, they all use the same subcontractors, and a few of ours came from northern VA and probably service Bethesda if they travel to Annapolis.
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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    In Texas some of the upgrades are way cheaper...

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    Holy Moly, Your pool will cost more than my house!!!!! It sounds like it will be very nice though. I would get at least one more quote if not two. I talked to 3 builders before I made my decision.
    Freeform /620 Surface/110 perimeter/20k gal/ Raised bond beam/Baja shelf (2)//Pentair- Intelliflo VS pump, Pentair Whisperflo 1hp// Easytouch, C&C 520 Cartridge, Intellichlor SWCG// A&A- Magnasweep in-floor, LeafVac, Venturi Skimmer,// Mini-pebble (Aqua Blue w abalone shell)//4 Pentair Globrite LEDs//3 sheer descents//Travertine coping and decking.

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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    Quote Originally Posted by atttech-2 View Post
    For the price you are paying get a variable speed pump, the bullnose does not seem that high but if it helps I have heard that the thermal edge is more in fashion probably because of the cost. the fiber optic thing is way cool my guess is the price may reflect your builder having to birring in a specialist to do the work, only way you will know for sure is get some more quotes. For a pool your size you are looking at a dozen trips with a decent size tractor trailer to remove all the dirt so unless you are on a farm I would get the removal included in the quote.
    Thanks for the thermal edge suggestion, I will check it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoreswim View Post
    That pool size is a bit larger than ours (18x38). And the depth profile is the same. It will absolutely be large enough. Though we do not have a spa. Will your spa be inset to that rectangle? Even if it is, great size.

    Bullnose on the coping seems quite high. The only place something other than square would be interesting to me would be on the inside of the spa which you lean against. Otherwise, unnecessary to me. We have square edge PA bluestone as well, though not quite as thick, except on our Coverstar autocover cover stones.

    LED's should be considered a no-brainer for a pool of that caliber. 2-3 for the pool and one for the spa.

    I'd choose some fantastic custom mosaic for the bottom like Martin Kennedy's versus a 50k fiber optic system.

    Ditch the Nature 2 and also get a robot versus a vacuum needing a booster.
    Thanks for all of your suggestions. Having a custom mosaic sounds fun, I will look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen203 View Post
    Hi fellow Marylander. We're just wrapping up our pool build, similar specs but smaller pool, and spent less than a third of what you've been quoted. I recommend that you talk to more pool builders. From everything I've experienced, they all use the same subcontractors, and a few of ours came from northern VA and probably service Bethesda if they travel to Annapolis.


    Thanks for your comments. I agree, most pool builders use the same subcontractors, I really do need to get another quote. If you feel comfortable would you please share the company you went with and the others you interviewed? You could send a private message to me with the info. If not I totally understand.

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    Re: Advice Needed/New Pool Build

    sent!
    My Pool Build (2015): inground 12K gals gunite/plaster pool, SWG, 2-speed pump, cartridge filter, gas heater, and polaris cleaner (Jandy). TF-100 Test Kit w/ Speed Stir

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