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    Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Signing the contract on Saturday for our pool for first build next spring. As the plan stands now the pool will be 3' deep in the shallow end, and 5' in the deep end with a gradual slope. I am worried that the shallow end will be too shallow. Pool length will be 28.3, including stair entrance, and width is 13.6. Its a kidney shaped vinyl pool with fiberglass steps. This is just a leisure/social pool. I am 6'2" and my wife is 5'11". We have a 17 month old son who is just under 3 feet tall at 34.5" at the moment.

    I have mentioned to my builder that I am worried that 3' is going to be too shallow for us. I get that my son is young and his safety is number 1, but he is also very tall for his age and kids grow up fast. Also, if the pool is doing a gradual slope, won't that put the middle of the pool at 4'? I am fine with 4', but it seems to me that half the pool being under 4' will be really shallow for us soon if not now. Builder says that because the pool will slope it won't be 3' for very long. Also it makes placing steps in the pool safer, and a easier entrance for swimmers into the pool if there is only 3 steps at 12 inches apart.

    I think I would be more comfortable with the shallowest end being 3'5". Is the builder correct about the stair entrance? With a little one, should we have a 3' section? Am I correct in thinking that with a gradual slope the middle of the pool would be at 4' if we went with 3'-5' slope as currently planned?

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Every builder we talked to recommended 3 1/2 feet for the shallow end. We went with a 6 ft deep end but 5 1/2 would have been fine too.
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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    You don't mention where you're located and if its in the south or the west, a more shallow pool gets warm in the summer. Possibly too warm to be pleasant.

    I truly prefer a deeper pool to enjoy more underwater swimming and the kids like to dive down for objects. Cannon balls are a must for kids to show their splash prowess....and it is just fun!

    Our grandson would wear his floatie wings and/or float vest in the deep end as well as the shallow end when he was a toddler. So the entire pool is his playground!
    3' is way too shallow IMO, and I'd go 6" minimum for the deep end.

    I regret not going deeper than 6' because I miss diving and a 6' pool is not safe for diving.

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Forgot to mention. I'm 6ft. Wife is 5ft 6in. Our pool is only 34 ft or so long so going deeper would have problematic.
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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

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    You don't mention where you're located and if its in the south or the west, a more shallow pool gets warm in the summer. Possibly too warm to be pleasant.

    I truly prefer a deeper pool to enjoy more underwater swimming and the kids like to dive down for objects. Cannon balls are a must for kids to show their splash prowess....and it is just fun!

    Our grandson would wear his floatie wings and/or float vest in the deep end as well as the shallow end when he was a toddler. So the entire pool is his playground!
    3' is way too shallow IMO, and I'd go 6" minimum for the deep end.

    I regret not going deeper than 6' because I miss diving and a 6' pool is not safe for diving.

    Bottom line- IMO of course, is go as deep as you can!!
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    5 feet deep is perfect for us. No interest in diving. I grew up with a 4 foot AG pool and loved every moment of it. I had friends with deeper pools, but you can only hang out in the deep end for so long before getting tired IMO.

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Keep in mind the pool usually isn't completely full to the very top. (Think waterline tile, etc) so 36" will likely be more like 33" I think. Out 48" pool looked like a kiddie pool once my son grew to 5'11. Maybe get a yard stick or tape measure to show where the water would go to on your body.
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    We are going 3.5- 5.5 ft. 6ft is too shallow to dive too deep to stand. I told the PB I wanted a net 3.5-5.5 ft to account for water level. I wanted to go 4-6, but after extensive research swimming in pools we went with 3.5- 5.5
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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Your son is never going to be in the pool by himself - for a long time to come. Most likely he will learn to swim in the next 3 years too. So making depth choices based on your 17 month old is not a great choice.

    Make it a minimum of 3.5 of water depth. I would strongly suggest 4'

    Plenty of posts here of people complaining of hitting their knees and hands on the bottom of pool.

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    We have 3.5x5x4 and 3.5 is too shallow. Nobody goes there, especially kids. Kids are all over the pool and like to hang out on benches. Wehave 3 around the pool and more would be better. Between 4 and 5 is perfect for people to stand in neck deep water, it is plenty deep to swim. And benches are great for adults to sit and sip on beverages or kids to launch from or rest.
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    If you can, go into some pools and see what works best for you, I was all set on 4-6 ft until I spent 3 weeks in Maui in multiple pool and realized 3.5-5.5 ft was best for us.
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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    CONTRACT SIGNED THIS MORNING!!!!

    We ended up going 3'6" to 5'6" water depth. The slope will not be as gradual as I thought so the shallow end will not be as long. Located here in New England we will not start build until early April. It's going to be s looooong winter!

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Congratulations! Yes, the wait will be tough but worth it in the end. Care to share the contract/build details? Any design sketches or CAD layouts?
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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Quote Originally Posted by rmclain73 View Post
    CONTRACT SIGNED THIS MORNING!!!!

    We ended up going 3'6" to 5'6" water depth. The slope will not be as gradual as I thought so the shallow end will not be as long. Located here in New England we will not start build until early April. It's going to be s looooong winter!
    Yay!!! Congratulations!!! Now hurry up Spring!!

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Just wondering aloud about the benefit of signing a contract now to start a build in April.

    Do they line up projects for spring right away?

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    The only reason I ask is that I find myself changing my mind so often...not sure if I can stick with a plan for so long. I will always be itching to change design, change material, etc etc

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Quote Originally Posted by philboyj View Post
    The only reason I ask is that I find myself changing my mind so often...not sure if I can stick with a plan for so long. I will always be itching to change design, change material, etc etc

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    Just because you sign a contract doesn't mean things can't be changed. Most people will make many changes and upgrades even during the build process. Signing the contract just locks you into the PBs schedule.


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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Quote Originally Posted by philboyj View Post
    Just wondering aloud about the benefit of signing a contract now to start a build in April.

    Do they line up projects for spring right away?

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    Yes, they line the jobs up now for next Spring. Plus, it locks you in at this year prices. There is still some flexibility with shape and size of the pool as long as you stay under so many square feet.

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Quote Originally Posted by JoyfulNoise View Post
    Congratulations! Yes, the wait will be tough but worth it in the end. Care to share the contract/build details? Any design sketches or CAD layouts?
    Once construction begins in the Spring I will make a dedicated thread with many pics.

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Quote Originally Posted by philboyj View Post
    Just wondering aloud about the benefit of signing a contract now to start a build in April.

    Do they line up projects for spring right away?

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    one of the PBs we have interviewed is already booked through Feburary. He said at the rate he's getting contracts, if someone waits until January to sign he won't be able to have them swimming for the summer. Our other PB is just as booked. I'm personally feeling a little panicked that we haven't been able to sign with one yet and that it will still be 1-3 weeks yet before we are able. I want my pool done for the beginning of May and the timeline is getting pretty tight.

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    Re: Signing contract on Saturday last minute depth decision

    Hmmmm... I don't know that I've ever heard of a hydrostatic relief valve installed in a vinyl pool?
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