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    Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

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    Analysis of my water at my nearby pool store, showed a low TA of 60, so I bought Soda ash at my supermarket (sodium carbonate... AH Super Cleaner). They advised to add 8.5 pounds, which I corroborated in the pool calculator. Stupidly, I added the powder directly to the pool, and I immediately so amazing white cloud formations underwater; thankfully, I only added 3/4 of a 3lb box to test out.
    1. Do I continue adding more, but DILUTED?
    2. I assume that the cloudiness will eventually go away??? Do I bother adding anything to help clear it up
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Soda ash raises pH, not TA very much. You raise TA with baking soda ... And really 60ppm may not been too low.

    Are you testing your own pool? Why are you trusting the pool store?

    The water should eventually clear up.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Thanks jb
    I have a store 30 steps away which makes life very simple; I know that it violates the theories and principles of TFP... I know.
    Ph is 7.5 and tc and fc was low. I already added chlorine.

    So I really need to find sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)? Shoot, that's not that easy to find in big quantities.

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    How do you chlorinate? You may not need to raise TA at all. I have seen that Walmart had bags of baking soda in the pool section before.

    Most here may argue that trusting a pool store makes maintenance more complicated and expensive ... certainly not "simple"

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Walmart has baking soda it in the lawn and garden area.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    I have an inline chlorinator with pucks, and I add gallons (yellow jugs) of chlorine. I agree on expensive vs simple. However, I often (not always) take their advice and buy the cheaper chemicals elsewhere.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Are you getting enough rain to keep your CYA level under control? Long term use of pucks can lead to big problems.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Lately yes

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    The cloudiness remains, and I imagine it will take a few days to clear. As uninviting as it looks, is it safe to get in? It's detergent, right? It should be safe.

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Only safe if you can see the bottom of the pool.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Ok. Should I run rthe pump? And I'm thinking that the cartridge filter is clogged with soda ash powder, so I should clean it.

    Indeed I found the baking powder at Walmart. Should I add it now to bring up TA? Or should I wait for the cloudiness to pass?

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    What does the pool store tell you? Surely they can help since they are right there and can test and see your water.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Quote Originally Posted by nabril15 View Post
    Ok. Should I run rthe pump? And I'm thinking that the cartridge filter is clogged with soda ash powder, so I should clean it.

    Indeed I found the baking powder at Walmart. Should I add it now to bring up TA? Or should I wait for the cloudiness to pass?
    Please double check your purchase before putting it in your pool. Baking powder and baking soda are not the same thing!
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Quote Originally Posted by zea3 View Post
    Please double check your purchase before putting it in your pool. Baking powder and baking soda are not the same thing!
    Yes, lesson learned. It's been a week, and the cloudiness remains despite getting more rain. The local store advised to add chlorine and the original baking powder that the pool called for, and so 1 added 2 tanks of chlorine and the sodium BIcarbonate.

    I want to use the pool. What else can I do?

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    I'm sorry but we cannot give you any advice until you post a current set of test results.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Understood.
    Ph 7.6
    Ta 65
    Ch 135
    Tc fc 1
    Stab 50
    Last edited by nabril15; 09-20-2015 at 01:15 PM. Reason: My apologies. TA is highet than that since I added the 7 pounds of sodium bicarbonate. I don't know what the actual current value is.

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    What is a tank of chlorine?
    Are those pool stores test again? I am afraid we are not going to be much help as offering advice based on errant tests is counter productive at best.

    You can not mix our advice and theirs, so since you seem to find them more convenient than learning and testing yourself, you likely need to follow their advice.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    A tank is a 2.5 gallon container.
    Yes, the results are from pinch a p, which could be considered semi serious; they put some effort into their tests, from what I see. They do the same thing as I would do if I had a test kit. Perhaps their advice might be overpriced because of the price of chemicals, but the testing seems legitimate.

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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Wow! They took your water sample. Added some power. Then added drops until they counted out your FC amount? That's impressive. Most pool places don't do that. Only people that I know that do that are those who follow TPFC.
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    Re: Added soda ash without diluting = cloudy pool. Help

    Two chefs in the kitchen isn't going to work. You are trying to have cake and eat it too.
    You don't want to pay for testing, so you use the pool store. You don't want to pay their price for chemicals, so you go to wherever.
    You don't want their advice, so you come here.

    When I used a pool store for testing, I bought chemicals there, even if it was just chlorine liquid or sodium bicarb. They aren't a charity.
    When I came here, I gave up the pool store and tried to listen up .
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