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    Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    Hi. I have learned a great deal by visiting this site and will be starting a pool remodel soon. Hopefully there are some elements of my story that will ultimately prove helpful to someone.

    I purchased my home five years ago. It was the first time I had ever had a pool as I grew up in Colorado. The home inspection showed the original pump was failing and some of coping around the pool deck was loose. This was fixed prior to closing. Soon thereafter however the original salt-water system began to have problems. I don't recall the brand but it was not mainstream by any means and it was connected to some strange mechanical timer with odd pull out pins. The pool service company started to put pucks weekly into the skimmer baskets and to be frank I am not sure if the original salt water cell ever worked. Also the color-wheel lights could only be controlled by manually turning an on/off switch by the pool equipment which was very cumbersome.

    So I replaced the original system with a Hayward Aqualogic salt water cell based system with a variable speed pump. Lights switched to LED. Replaced the very bulky sand based filter with a cartridge based system. A remote now controls the lights and fountain deck jets. Kept the original heater, although honestly it never gets much use. This was about 3 1/2 years ago. The complete package with install was $8,400. I had a mixed experience with the Hayward brand. The pump and both LCD lights ultimately failed but the subsequent replacements under the three year warranty have worked perfectly.

    This summer season I started to notice unstable water levels. I have had leaks in both skimmers and once near my pool light several times over the years. My experience with leak detection companies had been as follows: they get in the pool, they put a piece of putty by the pools light surround or inside the skimmers, they bill you $200 and tell you it is fixed, and then inevitably the leak later reappears. It was after a couple of these go arounds that I got the idea that maybe it was time to rehab the pool itself. I figured I could probably address the leak issue completely with a remodel. I also started to notice strange progressive discoloration of the plaster. It almost looked like dirt but could not be scrapped or brushed off. I do have someone service the pool weekly, but given what I read here, I am not sure how much attention is being paid to pH or calcium hardness. The Hayward remote tells you the salt level, so I was lulled into a somewhat false sense of security as that has always been on point, but I now recognize that a pool test kit is a must.

    I interviewed several companies and ultimately went with the one that was PebbleTech certified.

    So this is the pool. I always thought the shape was unusual but I was told it is known as a cathedral shape and will leave as-is.



    Here you can see the plaster discoloration issues; i think this was probably related to chronic pool chemistry issues in retrospect.



    Here are the elements to be addressed : replace the coping, replace the pool tile, and refinish the main pool surface:



    And of course figure out the leak.

    PB explained that the skimmer, light area, and return jet leaks would be fixed with the type of remodel I had in mind. The larger issue could be with the drains. There are four in the pool. So this week a real leak detector came to look at the pool. He pressurized the lines and then listened with a microphone device. Turns out there was a leak in one of the return jets. The real discovery, however, was that three of four pool drains are completely blocked. It is possible that this might have been done deliberately to address prior leaks. It was certainly not something that any of the other "leak detection companies" that I had hired previously discovered. As an aside, this is a real issue with Florida in general--great weather but many cons and scams so due diligence is especially important.

    Next week an attempt will be made to unblock the drains; if there are leaks then the drains will need to be replaced which would run about $1000 per drain. PB also mentioned that the one non-leaking unblocked drain could be expanded with a newer drain type, but we did not get into detailed specifics. Once the scope of the leak and drain work is known then I can finalize coping, pool finish, and tile choices. The planned start date for the remodel is the 3rd week of September.
    34x17, IG gunite pool, Cathedral shape, Hayward Pro-Logic automation, 40,000 gal T-cell 15, Hayward EcoStar VFD, Hayward Star-Clear Plus C1200 Cartridge Filter, Hayward ColorLogic LED lights x 2

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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    I would love to hear how they try to clear the drains.

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    Nice pool and great view! Thanks for sharing that, looking forward to the rest of the story.
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    Nice looking pool and yard. Look forward to seeing the remodel and the progress on fixing the leaks.
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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    Remodel begins tomorrow. Turns out the three drains were clogged with quartz plaster used to finish the pool originally. They used a pressure wash device to unclog. I was told that after the acid wash with initial application this can sometimes occur. No evidence of leaking in any of the drains.

    Going with Lightstream tile for the water line areas.
    A couple of other projects have used tile from this company and they all look amazing.

    Will be using Steel Blue:

    34x17, IG gunite pool, Cathedral shape, Hayward Pro-Logic automation, 40,000 gal T-cell 15, Hayward EcoStar VFD, Hayward Star-Clear Plus C1200 Cartridge Filter, Hayward ColorLogic LED lights x 2

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    Exciting, and wow, those palm tree are wonderful -- quintessential Florida, hope they stay!
    My Pool Build (2015): inground 12K gals gunite/plaster pool, SWG, 2-speed pump, cartridge filter, gas heater, and polaris cleaner (Jandy). TF-100 Test Kit w/ Speed Stir

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    LOVE the tile! BLING!

    so you are saying those lines have been blocked the whole life of the pool? You would think the people who had the pool built would have done something about it. Hummmmmmmmmmm I wonder if it got worse as the years went by with stuff getting stick more and more.

    I am glad they were able to get them open.

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    Pool was drained today. Took 6 hours. Surprised at the depth and how it was contoured out. Never really appreciated that before.
    Plaster was in bad shape. I think it again emphasizes the import of pool chemistry. Will definitely be changing to a different pool service company and will start my own weekly pH checks.



    Here they are beginning remove the coping by sawing into the grout. The plan is to replace with travertine to make more seamless. I know some have raised concerns about a salt water pool and travertine. It tends to be less of an issue in Florida given the frequent rains.

    34x17, IG gunite pool, Cathedral shape, Hayward Pro-Logic automation, 40,000 gal T-cell 15, Hayward EcoStar VFD, Hayward Star-Clear Plus C1200 Cartridge Filter, Hayward ColorLogic LED lights x 2

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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    I have something to show you....................

    Look at this link and REALLY think about getting one of these test kits.

    Pool School - Test Kits Compared

    The link to buy the two we use and love is in my siggy below.

    With it being a plaster pool you will need to check more than just the PH. I am also going to shoot you a couple of links to show you how easy it is to take care of your pool and how cheap it can be!

    Pool School - ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry
    Pool School - Recommended Pool Chemicals
    Pool School - Recommended Levels
    Pool School - Chlorine / CYA Chart
    http://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html

    THIS is the way to take care of a pool.

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    That is a very unusual pool floor!
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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    Your pool bottom reminds me of Wednesday's.

    Anyone?
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    I get it, but not sure if I can say that on here.
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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    Just hump daaaay!
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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    Analytical me votes for a sine wave. But both work for sure.
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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    More demolition. Next stage will be coping revision.



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    Glad I am not the one that has to get that out. The bucket will get heavy fast!

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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    Travertine coping arrived. Lightstream tile finally shipped. They are having some supply issues with the foundry but should still be able to finish by end of October. Still aways to go. Continued prep work for coping and tile install.

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    One step at a time.............even if there are a lot of steps! LOL

    At least here in FL you can keep the pool open year round as we do not have to worry about a solid freeze! That way you can enjoy the view until it warms up enough to jump in!

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    Re: Pool Remodel in Jacksonville, FL

    New travertine coping in.
    Because of pool shape could not get zero edge line like originally planned but the new coping still integrates much better with existing travertine deck than prior mortar brick.
    Glass tile install begins this week.

    34x17, IG gunite pool, Cathedral shape, Hayward Pro-Logic automation, 40,000 gal T-cell 15, Hayward EcoStar VFD, Hayward Star-Clear Plus C1200 Cartridge Filter, Hayward ColorLogic LED lights x 2

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