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    Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Hi Forum,

    This is my first post. I've decided not to continue with Mineral Springs due to cost. I've been reading about adding borax and baking soda (I already add Muriatic acid and cya as needed). I can figure out the baking soda, but if I'm putting in a bag of Renewal weekly (pool about 30,000 gallons) how much borax does that equate to on a weekly basis? Or do you not do borax weekly like the Renewal? Thanks much in advance!

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    What's in those Mineral Springs bags?

    There's you a good thread......borax/borates are always optional.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    The only change I can see from that thread in that today we use Pool Math instead of Pool Calculator. The rest still applies.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyp View Post
    What's in those Mineral Springs bags?

    There's you a good thread......borax/borates are always optional.
    Thanks - that's actually how I found this forum! :0 I saw the link in that thread about the borax as well, but couldn't figure out how much to use to replace Renewal and if needed on a weekly basis.

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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    What is pool math?

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    A button on the ribbon of 5 buttons at the top of the page that will tell you exactly what and how much to add to maintain correct levels in your pool based on gallon size and ACCURATE test results.
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    A tab at the top of every page here at TFPC. You will want to bookmark it so you have easy access to it.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Thank you very much. This will not be easy as I have a brain injury. I ordered a mentioned Lamotte Test Strip Kit.

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    Thank you just ordered.

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    We're here to help in any way we can. Just be sure to ask here, before you do, buy, or add anything. You'll get help at any point you need it. If you don't understand something, ASK!! That's what we are here for. Please feel free to keep asking until it makes sense.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    I see you mentioned a Lamotte test kit. Was it one one from this site? http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...its-comparison

    Usually folks either get the TFTestkit or the K-2006C Both use the same test chemicals but the TF kit has more of what you need to clear a an algae ridden pool.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Thanks pabeader!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pabeader View Post
    I see you mentioned a Lamotte test kit. Was it one one from this site? http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...its-comparison

    Usually folks either get the TFTestkit or the K-2006C Both use the same test chemicals but the TF kit has more of what you need to clear a an algae ridden pool.
    Hi - no I didn't know about that site, thanks. Now I'll have it for the future. Much appreciated answers and help.

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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    In lieu of weekly Mineral Springs Renewal (which has baking soda, and I hear borates, and salt) - my question is how much salt do you put in weekly?

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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    None. The only thing you should need to do is chlorine and adjust pH. Here is a link to a good thing to keep handy:

    Basic Pool Care Schedule
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Quote Originally Posted by aarsic View Post
    In lieu of weekly Mineral Springs Renewal (which has baking soda, and I hear borates, and salt) - my question is how much salt do you put in weekly?
    Quote Originally Posted by pabeader View Post
    None. The only thing you should need to do is chlorine and adjust pH. Here is a link to a good thing to keep handy:

    Basic Pool Care Schedule
    aarsic,

    pabeader will be a great help to you, definitely listen to him

    One small bit of advice - it would help greatly if you could update your signature with the specifics about your pool and equipment. It helps so that people reading your thread don't have to go searching through it to find out details like pool volume or plaster versus vinyl, etc.

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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    I have a salt water generator that is dependent on salt to make chlorine. Or do you just put salt in initially only if you don't use the Mineral Springs Beginnings? Thanks! I'm not a pool newbie - just converting over from Mineral Springs (probably next year and if possible for the rest of the month a Renewal replacement).

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    Thanks - I'll work on my signature.

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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Quote Originally Posted by aarsic View Post
    I have a salt water generator that is dependent on salt to make chlorine. Or do you just put salt in initially only if you don't use the Mineral Springs Beginnings? Thanks! I'm not a pool newbie - just converting over from Mineral Springs (probably next year and if possible for the rest of the month a Renewal replacement).
    When using a SWG you have to add the salt in one large dose, wait a day for it to dissolve and test, then turn the SWG on and carry on. You will want your FC to already be in the normal range by using bleach until the SWG takes over. Then you just tweak the SWG percentages (how long/much it runs) to meet your needs. Your CYA should be raised to the 70-80 ppm range when using a SWG also.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Just to clarify - I've been using salt for 2 years - but I've been using Mineral Springs Beginnings and Renewal and the Bioguard products. I understand what my ranges should be with a SWG - I'm just asking about the substitute products (basic salt, etc) in LIEU of using Mineral Springs because it costs so much and you don't get much different, in my opinion. Thanks.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Is your SWG showing any error messages? If not then you're okay. If so, post them and we'll see what we can do.

    I have to do more research on the Mineral Springs system. Usually, there is an initial largish amount of salt added to the pool to get the SWG going. Then the Mineral Springs would just add a little just to keep up losses from backwashing and splashout and that type of thing. The salt never really goes away, in a perfect world it just keeps getting recycled between the SWG and the pool.
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    Re: Getting rid of Mineral Springs

    Quote Originally Posted by pabeader View Post
    The salt never really goes away, in a perfect world it just keeps getting recycled between the SWG and the pool.
    This,is the part a lot of folks can't seem to understand - it's basically a closed loop system. The SWCG turns the salt into chlorine, then the chlorine as it sanitizes/oxidizes bad stuff in the water is converted back to salt. It's a big circle.

    The only salt you loose (which must be replaced) is through water leaving the pool, splash out, carried out in swim suits, backwashing filters or any other situation where water physically leaves the pool, but not counting evaporation as evaporation leaves all minerals like salt behind.
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