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    Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Hello,

    I just posted my intro in the Introduce Yourself forum.

    I live in Toronto, Canada and my husband and I are building a pool (specs below) and are at the point where our PB wants us to make some decisions on the equipment.

    Here are the current specs for our pool, which is in progress (gunite in place, flagstone patio nearly complete...)


    • IG, gunite rectangular
    • 16x30, 20K gallon
    • SWG
    • Beadcrete Water Blue
    • Coverstar automated retractible cover
    • Paramount PCC-2000 in-floor cleaning system
    • Attached, but winterized raised gunite spa


    Our goal is to have as much automation of equipment and chemistry as possible. We are both relative tech geeks and currently control our thermostat, alarm systems, security cameras, etc. from our iPhones, so it's fair to say that Internet of Things has landed in our home.

    Could I ask for some feedback on the equipment our PB has proposed for us? Do you see anything you think we will miss? Anything we can do without? I've read about the OmniLogic system and given that our PB is using Hayward, I am curious to know if we should be looking into that rather than the AquaLogic automation...

    Hayward Heater -H300FDN
    Hayward Filter C4030
    x2Hayward Variable Speed Pumps SP3400 VSP
    Hayward Aqua Logic Automation PL-PS-16-CUL
    Hayward T Cell 15 Salt System
    Hayward P-Kit
    Hayward Wireless Handheld Remote AQL2Pod
    Hayward Remote Wireless Base RF
    Hayward Wireless Home Connect AQ-CO-HomeNet
    4x Melody Lights Savi Melody 100

    TIA for your advice!
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    The omni is just the newer system with what appears to be a better interface.

    Don't get sucked into thinking a digital tester is better. Stick with the recommended drop based test kits.

    And remember there is no such thing as a maintenance free pool.
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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Be sure they size the SWG adequately...you want 1.5x to 2x capacity...so if you have a 25k gallon pool get the 40k swg. That's what you have listed in the tcell 15.
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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Yes, we're very much committed to gaining the knowledge and doing the work to maintain our pool without pool store intervention. That's part of why I was so happy when I found this community!
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Thanks, robertmee! Great suggestion.
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    That looks like a nice set of equipment to me.

    Like Jblizzle says, leave the testing to yourselves, and get a good test kit. In Canada, the only really good test kit available, is the Taylor 2006. If you can get the 2006C, then get the C version. The C version has larger amounts of test regent, so it will last a lot longer than the non-C version will.
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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Thanks, Divin Dave. Absolutely! I already have the TFT 100. I had it shipped to a friend in New York. I can't wait to start using it.
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Wellllll you can use it now! I would test your fill water. Do all of the tests except the CYA test as CYA has to be added.

    The reason to test your fill water is to know what you need to have on hand when you start filling.

    I am going to give you some links. I would like you to print these out and keep them by your test kit.

    Pool School - Recommended Levels

    Pool School - Basic Pool Care Schedule

    This next one is a neat one. It does the math for you. It tells you what to add and how much....

    http://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html

    This will get you started! LOL

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Thanks, Kim! Our fill water is being trucked in, so I don't have access to a sample. I don't think I can expect it to be the same as my tap water, but I have already learned that (according to the city website) the average Ph of water in Toronto is 7.7, so we should be prepared to lower it.
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    I 'd like to know if I should be asking our PB to quote us on the Omni Logic since, as jblizzle mentioned, it is the newer version of Aqua Logic?

    I realize the above list is already relatively "upgraded", but I wonder if the Omni Logic is a further upgrade that we should be asking out PB to quote us on?

    Also, I notice there is no muriatic acid feed system in the list. Should we consider adding this in?
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    I can't help with the system you asked about sorry


    I would still test your fill water as you will may need to use it to top off your water every once in a while.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Thanks, Kim. I'll give it a spin in my speedstir.

    Is there anyone who can advise on the Omni Logic? I've done searches within TFP but haven't found any reviews or comparisons.
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    What do you want to know?
    If you want the latest (and maybe greatest), get the Omni.
    If you want to try to automate your pH control, get the acid feeder (do not use the ORP automation).

    Either way, you still need to be testing the water every few days and making adjustments.
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    Hayward Omni Logic vs. Aqua Logic?

    Our PB has quoted us or an Aqua Logic automation system for our new IG pool build. I've read about the Omni Logic but it isn't entirely clear to be what the benefits are beyond the Aqua Logic.

    Can anyone comment on whether this is an upgrade we should be considering? I know it is relatively new, so I'm intrigued but I also don't want to invest in something that turns out to be the Betamax of pool equipment.

    We like the idea of controlling our equipment from our mobile devices, but this seems to be available with the Aqua Connect interface that come with Aqua Logic and the wireless base station, etc.

    Can anyone shed light on the differences?
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Hayward Omni Logic vs. Aqua Logic?

    You may want to consider getting a Raypak heater instead of the Hayward. The Raypak has better reviews across the board and it is made in Candada. Also, look at getting a Stenner pump for your acid. Between the SWG and the Stenner you would have almost full automation of your two primary chemicals. Another thing is to make sure your PB includes a fill line into your pool that you could have an electrical solenoid valve attached to so that you could have some water added each day to account for evaporation, further automating your pool.
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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Thanks, gary300. I'll ask about the Raypak and the fill line.

    Here is the revised equipment list from our PB after we agreed to switch to the Omni Logic. I'm out of town and not near a computer so have to post a screen cap.

    Also added is the AQL-CHEM3-120, which was missing from the previous list, also added is the HL-CHEM Sense & Dispense. My question for any experts reading this is whether we indeed need both of these units for PH automation and if so, whether the AQL-CHEM3-120 is the appropriate unit to add on to the Omni Logic. I can't seem to find any info to confirm this and Hayward product support is closed Sundays. The equipment is set to arrive tomorrow.

    TIA for any help.

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    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Take a look at Hayward's YouTube site. There are some educational video's on the OmniLogic.
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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Thanks, Hayward Pool. I've seen the videos. My question is largely whether this is an appropriate and optimal equipment configuration. Can you possibly comment on that? Thanks.
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Everything looks good. Just curious why you did not go with the Hayward 12v Universal ColorLogic lights. In the future the OmniLogic will have the ability to accept the Hayward Color module. The module gives you the ability to program your own color shows. Presently you can program the OmniLogic for the UCL lights but not Melody lights. You can only turn the Melody lights off and on.
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    Re: Looking for feedback on equipment for new pool

    Hayward Pool, I asked our PB about switching to ColorLogic since the lights are not yet installed (and our Beadcrete has been delayed yet another week). The answer from him was that "everything has already been wired for the Savi Melody lights".

    Really? This kind of surprises me. As a layperson, I thought a light was a light from an electrical perspective.

    It's a little disappointing that we weren't offered the ColorLogic as we would have gone with them over the Savis knowing the future interoperability with the Omni Logic. :-/
    17K, IG, Gunite, 16x30 Rectangular, Beadcrete Water Blue, Hayward C4030 cartridge filter, 2 Hayward SP3400 VSP Variable Speed Pumps, Hayward T-Cell 15 Salt System, OmniLogic Automation, PCC 2000 Infloor cleaner, Coverstar auto cover, 3 deck jets, 3 Savi Melody LED lights, flagstone deck and coping, attached raised winterized spa, TF-100 Test Kit, SpeedStir, build completed 09/10/15.

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