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    Too much Bleach?

    Hi everyone. First time on the BBB method and I'm using 60oz of 8.25 daily in a 7250 gallon freshwater pool to keep my fc in range. Is this too much?

    All other test (PH,CC,TA,CYA) within range.

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Hello and welcome to TFP! In order to answer your question, we need to know what your starting FC would and current CYA level are before adding more. Do you know? And can you clarify what test kit you are using please?
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Welcome!

    60 oz 8.25% in 7250 gallons works out to 5.5 FC loss per day.

    That is excessive.

    Two things consume FC: sunlight and organics. If the pool is in full sun and your CYA level is too low, that could account for it. If you have the entire neighborhood swimming in your pool every day, that could also do it. The worst scenario is that the organics in question is Algae.

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Water is crystal clear, only I swim in it every few days, according to pool calc my cya is in range, as are all my test results.
    Only using 8.25 bleach for all my chlorine needs

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Quote Originally Posted by xesvuli420 View Post
    Water is crystal clear, only I swim in it every few days, according to pool calc my cya is in range, as are all my test results.
    Only using 8.25 bleach for all my chlorine needs
    Your CYA may be in range, but I think what Richard is getting at is your CYA may be a little low based on the FC ppm loss per day. What is your CYA?

    Have you performed an OCLT to see if you are losing FC overnight? Because if so, a SLAM would be in order.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Oh my goodness, i apologize... I now see that my earlier message didnt post for some reason. Cya is 40-50. It fluctuates a bit. Sorry i didnt notice it didnt post before

    Also posted FC between 3-5
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    Quote Originally Posted by xesvuli420 View Post
    Oh my goodness, i apologize... I now see that my earlier message didnt post for some reason. Cya is 40-50. It fluctuates a bit. Sorry i didnt notice it didnt post before

    Also posted FC between 3-5
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    With a CYA of 50ppm (always round up) you are letting your FC drop too low @ 3ppm. Your target should be 6ppm. Staying at or below the recommended minimum is an invitation for an algae party.

    It would be in your best interests to perform an OCLT to rule out organic material (algae) consuming your FC.

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    I would agree with Dom. When using a CYA as 50 for my baseline, I would not want to let my FC go below 6. Actually, I might keep it at 8 or so routinely during these peak summer months just to be safe.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    That may be true But in my experience having a higher fc didnt have any effect on the amount of daily loss. I had it at 6 before and if i didnt add half a gallon a day it would drop all the way down to 1-2. Im trying to keep it at 4-5, but my reason for being here is help on why its using so much bleach daily if in fact it is (which has already been stated)

    So why am i having to use so much bleach?

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Do the OCLT and you'll know.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Sure, then it falls back to the basics as highlighted by Richard above. Sun or organics. The OLCT will rule-out organics (if you pass), so that leaves the sun (CYA). When performing the OLCT, remember that if must be done when the sun has dropped – no sunlight on the pool. About 8 hours total is recommended. Also, your FC level should be elevated more than normal. Staring FC could be close to your SLAM level, but no lower than 10. Anything less and you may not receive an accurate portrayal of FC loss (by percentage), even if it’s only 1 ppm.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Raise FC above 10 and Pool School - Perform the Overnight FC Loss Test (OCLT) to see if there is organic matter in the pool.

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    And if its sun?

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    raise CYA a little at a time until loss is acceptable.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Quote Originally Posted by xesvuli420 View Post
    And if its sun?
    With 50 CYA, that's unlikely.

    My guess is that you consistently let FC drop too low and algae took hold. Right now you're at a stalemate, but as you can see by the increased chlorine consumption, it's getting harder to maintain your advantage. The overnight loss test will confirm or deny it. The algae can be lurking behind ights or ladders or steps or even inside the skimmer throat where it's not easy to see or brush.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Is it really neccesary to raise fc that high? I mean practically just to test for organics wouldnt it be acceptable to monitor loss overnight with it between 3 to 5

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    And by that i mean if i test it tonight and its 3, and i test it in the am and its still 3, then that would rule out the loss right? But if its less then 2 then a more thorough test would be neccessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xesvuli420 View Post
    Is it really neccesary to raise fc that high? I mean practically just to test for organics wouldnt it be acceptable to monitor loss overnight with it between 3 to 5
    losing 1 ppm at 10 FC is a 10% loss, which is barely acceptable. Losing 1 ppm at 3 FC is 33% which is extreme. Yet, some people would call that a pass. If you had that same water at 10 FC and lost 33%, you'd show a huge loss in PPM and would know something was wrong.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    for some pools, 10ppm or more, is considered normal.
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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Quote Originally Posted by xesvuli420 View Post
    Is it really neccesary to raise fc that high? I mean practically just to test for organics wouldnt it be acceptable to monitor loss overnight with it between 3 to 5
    3-5ppm would not be an acceptable maintenance level for your CYA, let alone an OCLT.

    I think Richard320 explained our reasoning for the elevated FC level.

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    Re: Too much Bleach?

    Im gonna go do all the test right now just to see where we are right now brb

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