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    Westermark

    Throw in1.5lb potassium monopersulfate (non-chlorine shock/oxidizer) this will let your sanitizer(if you had any in there!!!
    ) do its job much easier, Add this once per week or more if your bather load is high, especially with high temps....Get your ph in order using sodium bi-carb or sodium carb,(I prefer Arm 'n Hammer Clear Balance). Start using tri-chlor as your sanitizer to help get your cyanuric acid up(stuff that protects your sanitizer(chlorine) from sunligtht. Stop using bleach(sodium hypochlorite)Looks like poolgets sunallday...for bleach to even work halfway you need to be adding it at dusk/night. Super-chlorinate once weekly with di-chlor granuals to raise free-chlorine above 10ppm for 4 hours min. No one back in pool til 5ppm or lower. Forgot to mention wait time for swimmers on potassium monopersulfate is only 15 mins. Best product besides tri-chlor in my book.

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    Re: Really confused about what to do, please HELP

    Forgot to mention, backwash your sand filter often.....every 4-6 hours til water is clear!

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    Re: Really confused about what to do, please HELP

    Will have to wait to read my first two posts.....then.....Oh ya, forgot to mention again.....you can add a weekly maintenance dose of a quarternary ammonium compound-type algaecide.....strength of compound dictates ounce-age per week.

    STOP USING BLEACH AND USE DI-CHLOR OR TRI-CHLOR!!!!
    LABELS WIL SAY SODIUM DICHLOROISOCYANURATE OR SODIUM DICHLORO-S-TRIAZINETRIONE OR SODIUM TRICHLORO-S-TRIAZINETRIONE RESPECTIVELY.

    THESE ARE JUST OTHER ELEMENTARY CHLORINES THAT ARE WAY MORE RESISTANT TO SUNLIGHT THAN BLEACH....(SODIUM HYPOCLORITE)

    WITH SUN HITTING YOUR POOL ALL DAY ALMOST, THE TRI-CHLOR WILL BE CHEAPER THAN BLEACH BY THE END OF THE SEASON .

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    Re: Really confused about what to do, please HELP

    ^Westermark, what on earth are you talking about? Please don't confuse the OP.

    This is a pool forum based on the knowledge of the cya:chlorine relationship. All stabilized products use cya as a stabilizer, and as such, incrementally add TOO much stabilizer over time to properly sanitize a pool AND avoid algae.

    The TFP method instead advocates adding the desired amount of stabilizer/CYA separately so that it s a known value, and then dosing daily with unstabilized aka liquid chlorine (or beach) to the "known" efficacy shown in the cya:chlorine chart in my signature.

    This method, combined with proper drop testing using a fas/dpd kit, give the user complete control over their pool maintenance and saves a lot of money and time in the long run.

    In this case, once the poster has a proper test kit and figures out how much CYA they really have, they may need to do a partial drain and then slam/shock in order to move forward to a trouble free pool where it will literally never go green again if fully adopted.

    The absolute LAST thing this poster should do is add ANY stabilized/cya-containing products, which are already creating the problem
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    Re: Really confused about what to do, please HELP

    Westermark, What you are saying goes against what TFP teaches.

    We have a scientific proven system of testing and treating a pool to get it and keep it clear.

    I have a link for you to read so you can start learning what we teach and use here.

    Pool School - ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry

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    Re: Really confused about what to do, please HELP

    To put it bluntly, westermark is wa-a-a-ay off the mark.

    Westermark, Please take some time and read through the forum. You will find that much of what you suggest is unhelpful and confusing to a new person.
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    Westermark

    Goodness. I'm glad you all had that moved. How confusing would that be?


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    Re: Westermark

    Welcome to TFP!

    You need to do some home work on TFPC. Time for a little reading and studying.

    Here are some of my fave Pool School articles in case you missed any of them.
    TFPC for Beginners
    ABC's of Pool Water Chemistry

    Here are the Recommended Levels for your pool.
    Here is the Water Balance for a saltwater pool.
    Here are the Recommended Pool Chemicals and how to add them.
    Use PoolMath to figure out how much to add.
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    Re: Westermark

    Also keep in mind that we do not talk about using ONLY bleach, but rather add CYA up-front initially (usually using pure CYA) so the chlorine in the water IS protected from breakdown from sunlight, but the CYA level is maintained to be constant. The following are chemical facts independent of pool size or product concentration:

    For every 10 ppm Free Chlorine (FC) added by Trichlor, it also increases Cyanuric Acid (CYA) by 6 ppm.
    For every 10 ppm FC added by Dichlor, it also increases CYA by 9 ppm.
    For every 10 ppm FC added by Cal-Hypo, it also increases CH by at least 7 ppm.

    If you have 2 ppm FC per day chlorine usage, then using only Trichlor for chlorine would raise the CYA by 36 ppm per month. Even at half that chlorine usage, it would still rise by 18 ppm per month so after one or two seasons (depending on length of season) it would be too high unless there were significant water dilution.
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    Re: Westermark

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    Re: Westermark

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    Re: Westermark

    Yep, Westermark is Phishing. No takers though.
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