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    Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    Has any one had trouble with the hayward skimmer installed on the ultra-frame pools? I have the wide-mouth skimmer installed.

    Since the pool wall slopes in, the skimmer slopes up so that the water level at the back of the skimmer is much less than the water level at the front. This means that, unless the pool is full almost to the top of the skimmer, the weir door can get stuck because the water is so low at the back of the skimmer. Then the pump starts sucking air.
    I have about 1" of leeway in my water fill between too high to skim and to low to push the weir door down. Needless to say, it is very difficult to maintain this with 1" of evaporation per day here in the desert.

    Any one else have this problem?
    I'm thinking of installing another drain so that if the skimmer won't drain, the pump won't run dry.
    Intex 12'x24'x52"
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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    I think they do slant with the rectangular pools. If it were mine, I'd try to set a brick on it and see if it pulls it down a bit to level it off.
    I'd bet you my bikini you'll never get TFP water from a pool store!

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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    The brute force approach, I like it. I'll give it a try
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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    I've got the same issue with mine, water level has to be topped up or it will draw air. One possibility might be the "float collar skimmer basket" conversion, but having trouble finding any info online on performance when slanted. Anyone on here with any experience with the float baskets?
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    9x18 Intex ultra AGP 4500 gallon, 3200gph intex 1hp pump with 16" sandfilter, abs hardpiped, hayward skimmer, Intex SWG, 11kw heater, LaMotte ColorQ Pro 7 test kit.

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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    What about re-connecting the original outlet? It's below the water line. If the skimmer door got stuck would this prevent the pump from pulling air? Or would it still pull air?
    Intex 12'x24'x52"
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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    I cut out one of the bottom drains and installed one of the intex strainers on there, so i can use both skimmer and outlet at the same time or balance between them depending if kreepy krawly or whatever I'm doing. The two original in/out let holes on the long side are now inlets. All hard piped, total overkill but thats just me...

    But to answer your question, as long as i keep both skimmer and bottom outlet i never pull air, however if i forget to open the bottom one and my water level drops.... Pump goes dry... I've learned that the hard way
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    9x18 Intex ultra AGP 4500 gallon, 3200gph intex 1hp pump with 16" sandfilter, abs hardpiped, hayward skimmer, Intex SWG, 11kw heater, LaMotte ColorQ Pro 7 test kit.

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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    1hp pumps are thirsty beasts, 1 skimmer cannot feed it enough water even if it was level, you will definitely need that second feed. I run a 1hp as well and its exactly the same on my setup.

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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    Yes, I have the very same problem. I have one of the intex suction ports hooked to my lil shark vac with ball valves and on skimmer to control flow. I've tried to level the back of the skimmer by pulling it down with strings tied to the frame- just to see if it would help, and it works great- I just haven't found a way to make it permanent and not look horrible. I also was concerned about the long term effects of putting more stress on the liner and the skimmer by pulling it down. I'll be watching here to see if someone else has solved this issue!
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    Re: Skimmer troubles on ultra-frame

    Quote Originally Posted by FunFinder View Post
    Yes, I have the very same problem. I have one of the intex suction ports hooked to my lil shark vac with ball valves and on skimmer to control flow. I've tried to level the back of the skimmer by pulling it down with strings tied to the frame- just to see if it would help, and it works great- I just haven't found a way to make it permanent and not look horrible. I also was concerned about the long term effects of putting more stress on the liner and the skimmer by pulling it down. I'll be watching here to see if someone else has solved this issue!
    Today I plumbed the original return into the system, along with the skimmer. I then dialed in the original return's valve to the point where I have good suction in my skimmer, yet if the skimmer door gets stuck due to low water level. I don't get air into the system. Works like a charm and my pump seems happier with the hard plumbing replacing the original intex hoses. Woot!

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    Intex 12'x24'x52"
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    Intex SF60110 2450 GPH Sand Filter
    Intex CS8110 SWG
    Aquabot AJET121I Pool Rover S20-40

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